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Jytek Member

I guess this is the right forum for this.... I have been looking at some ads for Cruisers Yachts 415 Express 41' and would really like to hear from others that know much about the boat, or actually own the boat. Any information is desired, good or bad. Thanks.

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Don't know about that boat/model, but I've known folks who had Cruisers boats and they liked them. FYI, ref your thread title, there's a difference between their "Express" and their "Express Motoryacht" models... and I think you're asking about the Express Motoryacht, perhaps like the one listed on YW in New Bern? If so... to your questions in the other thread, note the Propulsions section says "Volvo D6" (not IPS) and "Direct Drive" (not pods)... so that's one way to tell whether straight shafts or pods. Pros/cons for each. Can't tell about whether it has thrusters or not. I'd guess the 370-hp engines would be the entry-level ones, if Cruisers offered optional upgrades. Might be fine, depending on gearing. D6's have an OK rep, far as I know., and 985 hours isn't huge. Engine condition is very much driven by maintenance, though... so a neglected diesel with985 hours might not be as good a choice as a very well cared for diesel with 2500 hours (both assuming appropriate for the boat). All that aside... what do you like about the boat? What attracts you to it? -Chris

ranger58sb said: ↑ Don't know about that boat/model, but I've known folks who had Cruisers boats and they liked them. FYI, ref your thread title, there's a difference between their "Express" and their "Express Motoryacht" models... and I think you're asking about the Express Motoryacht, perhaps like the one listed on YW in New Bern? If so... to your questions in the other thread, note the Propulsions section says "Volvo D6" (not IPS) and "Direct Drive" (not pods)... so that's one way to tell whether straight shafts or pods. Pros/cons for each. Can't tell about whether it has thrusters or not. I'd guess the 370-hp engines would be the entry-level ones, if Cruisers offered optional upgrades. Might be fine, depending on gearing. D6's have an OK rep, far as I know., and 985 hours isn't huge. Engine condition is very much driven by maintenance, though... so a neglected diesel with985 hours might not be as good a choice as a very well cared for diesel with 2500 hours (both assuming appropriate for the boat). All that aside... what do you like about the boat? What attracts you to it? -Chris Click to expand...

If you look at a full range of boats by Cruisers (for example), their "two story" boats are motoryachts and the "ranchers" are express boats. Cruisers just happens to use the word "express" for both, perhaps to suggest speed or something. Sea Ray Sundancers are express boats. Sea Ray motoryachts mostly look like basketball shoes. Then there are sportfishers/convertibles, sedan bridges/sport bridges, "trawlers," down east boats, etc... Et cetera. Each with typical features for the class... but the descriptive terms aren't hard and fast, makers play fast and loose with the dictionary... A common practice is to make an offer -- subject to some important stuff like marine survey. mechanical (engines & genset) survey, sea trial -- and during that process you can learn about engine condition and maintenance... or not. Recently I added "successful maintenance records review" as an additional "subject to" and that helped -- since I could do that review before spending money on the rest of it. So one of your requirements is comfort for 4 people, plus maybe a couple of kids. Good. (There are likely a bazillion boats that might do that.) Another requirement is "not huge" -- a little squishy, but also good. (Another bazillion, although significant overlap with the first requirement.) Easy for docking, ditto. I dunno about how that particular boat might be for docking, but I've seen some Cruisers motoryachts like that at various docks and I don't remember their side decks being anything to write home about. Also, it's typical for a "motoryacht" of some persuasion to have the helm mounted forward on the flying bridge... which in turn means good visibility forward... but also docking stern-to might be more difficult because of poor visibility astern. Compare to most sportfish/convertible styles where the helm is more often mounted aft on the flying bridge and visibility astern is usually very good. The issue is not unsolvable (including back-up cameras, etc.) but an example of pros/cons associated with various styles. Still, that one would probably need an in-person look to think about docking... although actual owners might pipe up. But it's a good example of where looking at boats up close and personal becomes necessary to get first-hand impressions. IOW, ads and the Powerboat Guide (or similar) or even fora like this one can only go so far... Back to features: What kind of "4 people"? Two couples? (Two full/queen mattresses nice.) One couple and two singles? (One full queen mattress and two twins or bunks could work.) What kind of "maybe a couple of extra kids?" Same gender, or not? Tiny, or mid-size, or...? (Twins or bunks or pull-outs could work.) How would you use the boat? Dock condo? Marina hopping? Anchoring out? Long distance travel? Some kind of mixture of some of those? All this, just examples of drilling down into requirements to maybe better refine your needs. Partly because it's usually much easier to solve problems of various sorts (space, capacity, ease of boarding, ease of docking, etc.) during the shopping phase. Yes, you can usually add a stern thruster. Be aware, bow thrusters and stern thrusters can fail (as can pretty much anything on a boat)... so a common suggestion is to learn to maneuver the boat without the extras. -Chris

ranger58sb said: ↑ If you look at a full range of boats by Cruisers (for example), their "two story" boats are motoryachts and the "ranchers" are express boats. Cruisers just happens to use the word "express" for both, perhaps to suggest speed or something. Sea Ray Sundancers are express boats. Sea Ray motoryachts mostly look like basketball shoes. Then there are sportfishers/convertibles, sedan bridges/sport bridges, "trawlers," down east boats, etc... Et cetera. Each with typical features for the class... but the descriptive terms aren't hard and fast, makers play fast and loose with the dictionary... A common practice is to make an offer -- subject to some important stuff like marine survey. mechanical (engines & genset) survey, sea trial -- and during that process you can learn about engine condition and maintenance... or not. Recently I added "successful maintenance records review" as an additional "subject to" and that helped -- since I could do that review before spending money on the rest of it. So one of your requirements is comfort for 4 people, plus maybe a couple of kids. Good. (There are likely a bazillion boats that might do that.) Another requirement is "not huge" -- a little squishy, but also good. (Another bazillion, although significant overlap with the first requirement.) Easy for docking, ditto. I dunno about how that particular boat might be for docking, but I've seen some Cruisers motoryachts like that at various docks and I don't remember their side decks being anything to write home about. Also, it's typical for a "motoryacht" of some persuasion to have the helm mounted forward on the flying bridge... which in turn means good visibility forward... but also docking stern-to might be more difficult because of poor visibility astern. Compare to most sportfish/convertible styles where the helm is more often mounted aft on the flying bridge and visibility astern is usually very good. The issue is not unsolvable (including back-up cameras, etc.) but an example of pros/cons associated with various styles. Still, that one would probably need an in-person look to think about docking... although actual owners might pipe up. But it's a good example of where looking at boats up close and personal becomes necessary to get first-hand impressions. IOW, ads and the Powerboat Guide (or similar) or even fora like this one can only go so far... Back to features: What kind of "4 people"? Two couples? (Two full/queen mattresses nice.) One couple and two singles? (One full queen mattress and two twins or bunks could work.) What kind of "maybe a couple of extra kids?" Same gender, or not? Tiny, or mid-size, or...? (Twins or bunks or pull-outs could work.) How would you use the boat? Dock condo? Marina hopping? Anchoring out? Long distance travel? Some kind of mixture of some of those? All this, just examples of drilling down into requirements to maybe better refine your needs. Partly because it's usually much easier to solve problems of various sorts (space, capacity, ease of boarding, ease of docking, etc.) during the shopping phase. Yes, you can usually add a stern thruster. Be aware, bow thrusters and stern thrusters can fail (as can pretty much anything on a boat)... so a common suggestion is to learn to maneuver the boat without the extras. -Chris Click to expand...

Everybody's gotta start somewhere, and it's not like many of us were born knowing boat stuff. USCG Aux offers a decent course. The Waterway Guide and the ActiveCaptain app can show you information about marinas and common anchorages along the ICW. Ref rattling: yes, you can solve a lot during your shopping phase. And then you'll have it pretty close to "right" when you get to your third boat. Now that you have a feel for why the C415 might work, try two exercises: 1) find every similar boat and review the pros and cons of each compared to the C415 2) find significantly dissimilar boats and do the same kind of review. For example 1, Carver or or Silverton or Sea Ray or et cetera also make/made motoryachts. (several with open party decks) so have a look at those and compare features one by one. For example 2, find something like a sedan bridge or sport bridge boat of whatever useful size, and check out features compared to the C415. The Powerboat Guide might be a useful tool; the softcopy version is keyword searchable. It'd also be useful to walk the docks and just look at boats. From where you are, Barefoot. Grand Dunes, and Osprey Marinas, plus Southport and South Haven Harbour Marinas could give you a chance to see a lot of boats in person... maybe get a feel for what appeals... and what doesn't. Boat owners are usually happy to answer questions about their ride... -Chris

ranger58sb said: ↑ Now that you have a feel for why the C415 might work, try two exercises: 1) find every similar boat and review the pros and cons of each compared to the C415 2) find significantly dissimilar boats and do the same kind of review. For example 1, Carver or or Silverton or Sea Ray or et cetera also make/made motoryachts. (several with open party decks) so have a look at those and compare features one by one. For example 2, find something like a sedan bridge or sport bridge boat of whatever useful size, and check out features compared to the C415. -Chris Click to expand...

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I don't think there's any difference in the 46 and 460, in fact I don't see any 460 in Power Boat Guide. See if you can get a copy of Power Boat Guide, by Mcknew & Parker, it will help you greatly in your search.

I looked on Amazon for Power Boat Guide and there are issues for several years. Would it make sense to get a current issue when I'm only looking at boats a few years old?? Also, some are listed as "Broker Editions". That doesn't sound like what I want, but I could be wrong???

Jytek said: ↑ I started looking at some Carver boats and think they might fit us even better. Thanks for steering me in that direction. I'm having trouble knowing the difference in the models, however. They have Carver 46, 460, 45, & 450. What are the differences??? Click to expand...

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Re: Welcome Cruisers Yachts owners... 336 Ultra Vee owner here. do you know where I could get a wiring diagram for such a boat?  

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Re: Welcome Cruisers Yachts owners... I don't have much to do with the interior other than a good cleaning. The boat does need paint and there is a section of wood that needs to be replaced above the side window that the trim fastens to. The biggest thing was the engine. I had pulled it out to clean the cylinder bores. The engine is back in but I haven't re-attached all the wiring, etc and the out drive is still in my shed. I will have to post some pics of what it looked like when I got. Not much has changed cosmetically as I haven't been doing anything with it. We will need to compare notes when (if) I restart the project. Brian West Michigan  

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Re: Welcome Cruisers Yachts owners... Ok. I found a same-model replacement engine (188hp Mercruiser/Ford 302)through craigslist and have it in my garage now. Once I get a decent day here, I'll try to rip the old one out and clean out the compartment. See what kind of nightmare it might be dropping the other one in. The interior was so dirty on mine, and I don't know what's residing in the 30+ year old velvet and curtains that I just ripped it all out. Might try updating the interior a bit. Good luck if you get back to it.  

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Re: Welcome Cruisers Yachts owners... Hi,..I have Cruisers Mackinac that I would like to find where I can get the most information I can find. It's 22' with a 3.8 L engine. Finding info on a boat this old has been difficult. The model number on the id plate reads "22721". Does the 72 stand for the year of the boat? Any information would be greatly appreciated.  

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Cruisers 1975 22' Mackinaw Cruisers 1975 22' Mackinaw Of all my dumb luck to find another person on this site restoring the same boat that I am. I was given this boat last week. It has no motor, the interior has been exposed to the elements and it was a rodent/squirrel HI Express of some sorts as well. It seems like it could be restored and I want to give it a try but first I need to know what a replacement engine is going to run me. I have the brochure from Cruisers telling me the various recommended engines, a couple searches on craigslist and ebay didn't turn up much but I really don't know what my parameters are for the engine such as what year range would fit in this boat. Any advice/recommendations from you will be greatly appreciated. Thanks  

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mvinct said: Hi,..I have Cruisers Mackinac that I would like to find where I can get the most information I can find. It's 22' with a 3.8 L engine. Finding info on a boat this old has been difficult. The model number on the id plate reads "22721". Does the 72 stand for the year of the boat? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Click to expand...

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Re: Welcome Cruisers Yachts owners... I just put my 1985 Vee Sport in the water on Saturday and I love it.  

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Re: Welcome Cruisers Yachts owners... I have a 1979 Cruisers Gran Bateau and I love it! OEM parts are getting hard to find and am now looking for a gimbal ring. Nearly everything else has been replaced. The sound of the 4-barrel kicking in is like music to my ears! My kingdom to get her in the water this year!  

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I unfortunately do not have the time to take a trip to Pavlovsky Posad.

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I am staying near Pavelskaya.

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