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05-02-2017, 12:47  
a cat, and I wanted to ask a few questions about putting a in the Moorings or Sunsail Fleet. I have the feeling I would use it less than I imagined (seems like a general sailing truth), and that it may not be worth it financially if I sail less than I expect. I've also been considering just focusing on owner's time swaps, which I have done once, rather than as I have a limited sailing year.

So, for owners who now have or have had in the Moorings fleet, do you actually use all your owner's time? Do you the time? What has your general experience been with the Moorings?
07-02-2017, 20:27  
Boat: Leopard 40 (new model)
all of my owner's time. The latter was easier to do with old contracts.
10-02-2017, 14:37  
if we didn't/couldn't use all of the owners weeks. Seems like a great opportunity for a . Split the weeks, the cost and best of all the depreciation. As long as there was a with very specific terms regarding the phase out, I feel it could be a win/win for both parties. Much different than a private which I imagine could be riskier. What do you folks think?
10-02-2017, 16:49  
. If they're realistic, it's a matter of dollars and time on boats vs. cost of and loss on resale. It's a bit like a house in the mountains for skiing. Most people buy them, and only ski a few times a year. For the they spent, they could have stayed at the Ritz and eaten gold for breakfast lunch and dinner. I care a lot less about the pride of ownership compared to sailing time. Sometimes, it might be best to just and have no hassles.
14-02-2017, 10:25  
Boat: Leopard 46
, as a former Moorings owner I would comment that there is hardly any logical ($) argument for owning a new charter boat.
14-02-2017, 11:05  
Boat: Leopard 40 (new model)
contracts it is more difficult to sell owner's time.

If I was able to use 12 weeks outside peak season I would do it again.
14-02-2017, 11:57  
Boat: Lagoon 450, 45'10"
450 in TMM's fleet 2.5 years ago. Although I am taking the boat out of charter next week I have been exceedingly happy with the ownership program through TMM. The charter's are well vetted and the boat has been properly cared for. Their plan requires greater risk but the rewards are much better. If I had it to do over again I most definitely would!

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20-07-2017, 08:53  
Boat: Searching...
through moorings. Our was amazing and let me with her when we were under sail explaining what we were doing, how to tack, how to use the winches, ect.. So i have little experience but want to gain more.

My plan is to use the owners program to gain experience and knowledge of sailing through the use of the boat (probably hiring a captain the next 3 or so trips). The ultimate plan is a goal 10-15 years from now to circumnavigate the world. I can't think of a better way to gain experience and to have some ownership of a boat at the end of the plan.

So, am i crazy to think that possibly doing this plan for 5 years would be a great idea to gain experience i need and to have ownership of a boat that i could possible sail for my "Grand plan" in the future?

Also, just curious how crazy of an idea it would be to convert one from a charter cat with two state rooms and two heads, to an owner's version? Is that just crazy talk? I know it's not like ripping a wall out at your house and sheet rocking it over.

Right now my biggest hurdles that i can see are two things, first and most importantly, what do i do with the boat after the 5 year plan is over? At that point, it's mine, either i own it outright or i have payments and i have to take over the , , ect.. of a boat that i'm not really planning on moving on for another 5 years? Secondly, what kind of shape will it be in after the charter? I assume it should be in good shape, but i am not sure i can guarantee that.

I would love to hear your opinions.
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20-07-2017, 21:47  
Boat: Lagoon 400
21-07-2017, 12:12  
Boat: Searching...
and found some great articles.

Now, i think i'm leaning more towards just doing a few more charters (with a captain) then some charters to gain experience. In the mean time i will just keep filling the boat fund up as fast as possible. who knows, maybe in my 10 year time frame we will have an economic downturn and i can pick up a great boat for a low and then take off.
28-03-2018, 13:38  
Boat: FP LUCIA 40, Hull #51
and found some great articles.

Now, i think i'm leaning more towards just doing a few more charters (with a captain) then some charters to gain experience. In the mean time i will just keep filling the boat fund up as fast as possible. who knows, maybe in my 10 year time frame we will have an economic downturn and i can pick up a great boat for a low and then take off.
 
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  • 18 Oct 2007

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I sailed recently with an investor who "owned" one of Sunsails yachts. (Think it was in Turkey?). He said the Sunsail scheme was the cheapest way of getting 2-3 months sailing each year wherever he wanted. Frankly at the time I was sceptical. However he was very happy with the scheme (he was in year 3) and I had a look at it today out of curiosity. On the face of it - its quite attractive. You buy the yacht and own the title - they guarantee 8% rental income for each of the 5.5 years and then you get the yacht at the end. Plus you get 6 "bookable" weeks each year of sailing anywhere Sunsail operate - and 4 more "last minute" weeks. So 10 weeks in each year, with only the flight costs. There are obvious things to worry about - and at the end of the day your yacht will be used for sunsail work, but nevertheless its still likely to be worth 30% of original value by the time its handed back. Possibly a tad more? So the question is - does anyone here own a sunsail yacht? And are you happy as well? Thanks in advance.  

oughtoc

No good for anyone with kids at school. If you can take your weeks off peak then it seems to look a lot better.  

Our kids have kids at school! But SWMBO and I dont have to worry about this any more.  

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I looked at this about seven years ago. It didn't work for me first because I like to potter about and do things on my boats when I feel like it and without having to book the time in advance. Secondly, there is the old adage that nothing goes as fast as a rental car.  

In my case, I'd like to stay with my motorboat ownership - but I'd also like to do 2-3 months sailing as well. I dont fancy forking out eight hundred or even a grand a week for ten weeks each year. And I definitely dont want to "do things on two boats" - one is quite enough thanks! Interestingly, Sunsail are asking about 60% of the original price for 5 year old ex-charter boats. So it may be sensible to assume that the residual is perhaps nearer 50% than 30% as I first thought. Point taken about the rental car though. Hence the concern on the residual.........  

Slow_boat

I looked at it with a friend and concluded that if you can take the time off work and you and SWMBO want to sail for every bit of holiday you can get, then it's worthwhile. Neither of us can. It certainly didn't add up as a financial investment. The downside is that at the end of the period you are left with a very ued boat of 'charter' spec. to either keep or sell onto a crowded market. Pays your money and takes your choice.  

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[ QUOTE ] The downside is that at the end of the period you are left with a very ued boat of 'charter' spec. [/ QUOTE ] i.e too many bunks and zero stowage space.  

  • 19 Oct 2007

When you look at the state of some of the older charter yachts it would bring tears to my eyes to see 'my' yacht in that state, not to mention the bumps and chips off the gel coat from inexperienced skippers bumping there way into a mooring... Then at the end of it you have a tired vessel that needs a whoe bunch of work doing to it to get it up to scratch. Not for me I am afraid...  

Thanks for that link Silkie. Sounds like your friend was happy with the scheme. I was really hoping that we would have some "sunsail owners" on here who might comment on how its working out for them. Obviously anything you do involving boats is an expense and never an investment, but it seemed to me that this scheme just might offer "inexpensive sailing" for 10 weeks a year.  

Before treating it as inexpensive, don't forget the opportunity cost of giving sunsail your money. To put it another way, if the boat cost 100k and you could get 5% on deposit, and paid 1k per week for charter then at the end of year you might have: (100 - 10) * 1.05 = 94.5 (94.5 - 10) * 1.05 = 88.72 (88.72 - 10) * 1.05 = 82.66 (82.66 - 10) * 1.05 = 76.29 (76.29 - 10) * 1.05 = 70.27 So you still get 5 years of chartering. Whenever you like. With whatever company you like. And anywhere you like. And if you get bored of sailing, you can cancel the deal at any time. And at the end of it, if you still really really wanted to own a shagged charter boat, you could go and buy one for 40-50k. And spend the rest fixing it /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif  

[ QUOTE ] Interestingly, Sunsail are asking about 60% of the original price for 5 year old ex-charter boats. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm. Well, "original price" presumably is round about the RRP of the boat - ie. what you actually pay them. You could be fairly sure though that given the number of boats they buy, they get a handsome discount on RRP (especially as they would buy direct from the manufacturer - no dealer margin in there) .... discounted to around 60% maybe? Its easy to see how this business would be attractive to Sunsail, whether they buy the boats themselves, or they persuade you to...  

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Always struck me if ownership of a charter yachts is such a jolly good thing, you'd expect Sunsail, et al, to arrange their own finance and take the boats into 100% ownership. After all, if they're buying at retail less 20% (say) and selling at retail less 40% after 5 years of revenue earning, and depreciation accounting, they'd be laughing all the way to the FTSE100. Something doesn't stack up  

Thanks for all the comments and thoughts. Very interesting. I reckon the sunsail owners are a shy lot! I have had PMs from them - all in a positive light as well. Seems the "norm" that Sunsail will offer you 40% of original price at the end of the 5.5 year term. So you can walk away with 40k of your original 100k (and no hassle), or you can spend time, money and effort tarting it up in the hope of getting more. In my case, I'm retired and I certainly dont do "hassle" any more, so I could work the 40k back into my spreadsheet. (And I'm pretty sure you'd have to pay the VAT on the 40k as well at that point).  

So, on a £100K yacht, effectively you're buying 5 years x 10 weeks sailing for £60K, plus loss of interest (say 5 years at 5% pa ignoring compounding = £25K) plus airfares? So £85K plus flights for 50 weeks sailing. Have I got that right, and if so is £1700 a week a good deal?  

I think you've missed out the 44k interest in the 5 years Ken?  

I think it still works out at: 100 - 60 (depreciation) + 44 (income) - 27.5 (interest) = 60.5k So you're paying 10k for the "benefit" of being tied to Sunsail, for weeks that may not be convenient. Not trying to put you off or anything /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif  

I know a couple who have just come to the end of their 5 year ownership. They did a lot of research before they committed to this arrangement, the first being visiting the base where your boat would be kept. They initially looked at the Ionian, but then changed to Sporades. Their reasoning for this was that they watched a typical sunsail fleet at both bases and in their opinion more 'beginners' opt for Ionian than some other bases. Therefore if you can find a base where more experienced people charter, you might stand a better chance of the boat being in better condition after five years. It seemed to work for them, as their boat was reasonable after five years, whereas I've been on some two year old boats which were definitely showing signs of wear and tear.  

I'm by no means committed to this - although I am committed to getting some more sailing and keeping my Mobo! Just discovered that a couple moored just 50 yards from me are Sunsail owners so am going to chat to them tonight.  

Davy_S

I can assure you that the rigging is always in good condition, or replaced regularly, When I watch them hit the quayside daily with a thud the mast shudders all the way down, but always stays up! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif  

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