 | | | Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. | | | | | | 23-06-2007, 23:26 | | | | yachts? Are they similiar in quality to , and ? I haven't seen one in person and I'm curious what their reputation is like. I read a while back about one or more loosing their but never heard anything beyond that. | | | | | 24-06-2007, 02:32 | | | | and (presumably American Hunter), but to me is the same same as . , design, performance and build quality.
Can't say I would ever buy one, given my own circumstances and plans.
But if I was ever after a to keep somewhere warm as a floating holiday home that could also be sailed enjoyably then I would be very tempted. Especially if I had / and needed the room they provide........can't say I would go around Cape Horn in one. But then again I can't say I would go around Cape Horn in anything! But I am sure folk have..........
Certainly when looking at new prices both Beneteau and Bavaria are very attractive - an article in one of the recent mags did some numbers, I think that a 40 footer (Beneteau or a Bavaria or something same same) from 10 years ago was new at the same as they still are (if not a fraction more expensive back then!) - prices kept down by massive increase in factory efficiencies, design and probably .......... | | | | | 24-06-2007, 03:31 | | Boat: Super Van Craft 1320 Power Yacht
| best parked up), I'd suggest build quality is possibly similar.
But they are good value of and helped 000's of people afford a new yacht and get out sailing and for that - we should all applaud Bavaria.
IMHO also, over the years since they started, thier low price policy has been a major influence on other production manufacturers who have not wished to loose market share.
I'd suggest if you choose a Bav buy second hand and you can score a bargain (certainly in Europe) as lots of first time buyers do become first time sellers too.
Good luck
JOHN Go see our blog at | | | | | 24-06-2007, 07:16 | | Boat: Bavaria 40, 12, 48 meters
| interiors, some of the newer models some cheesy looking plastic that is supposed to imitate and in some places carbon... tacky and brittle.
The comparison to Beneteaus seems fair and I would definitely prefer an older BAV over an older Beneteau any day; if I was considering a new model, it would be a toss-up.
As much as I hate to admit this from an owner's perspective: I think Catalinas are the better made boat (both over Beneteau and BAV), Hunters just are a different (again agree with John), which may be on the same quality level as BAV and Beneteau. | | | | | 24-06-2007, 16:54 | | Boat: Lotus 10.6
| and holly! Screw plugs used to be wooden. Now they are just brown plastic. | | | | | 24-06-2007, 16:56 | | Boat: Lotus 10.6
| | I read a while back about one or more loosing their but never heard anything beyond that | | 24-06-2007, 18:06 | | | | | 25-06-2007, 21:55 | | | | in a storm...and in the price range I'd go for a Catalina. | | | | | 25-06-2007, 22:45 | | Boat: Lotus 10.6
| you can imagine what the bits you can't see are like. | | | | | 26-06-2007, 06:19 | | Boat: Bavaria 40, 12, 48 meters
| : the boat that her keel was the (then) rather new "Match 42", part of a new performance-series, which was supposed to compete with the likes of Grand Soleil, X or here in America J-boats. They pushed it too far and the result was one dead, a boat sunk. "They" means certainly Bavaria but the designers as well, which is usually forgotten.
In the aftermath Bavaria did extremely poor dealing with this disaster, denying responsibility, accusing the charter-company of inadequate , the crew of mishandling the boat...
The Match series was first re-engineered, finally taken off production, the cruiser line are totally different boats.
Bavaria is in boats what Ford was in automobiles. The Model T was no Duesenberg either. And BAV as well as Ford surely changed their respective markets if not created them.
One issue that I do disagree with C on are the heavy capabilities: I have been in an 8 to 9 and several strong 7s with my BAV 40 and she took it well. I do particularly the "Bora of the century" April 12 and 13 2004 which claimed one fatality but we went through it unharmed. | | | | | 28-06-2007, 19:53 | | Boat: Dufour 455GL
| models. Since the advent of the Glen Henderson design range they are a very different boat. There is an old H 336 parked near me which looks like a bath tub in comparison
My H 33 2004 while still having plenty of room down below has good modern lines and with its big roach main can beat similar sized Bavarias, Benetaus and Catalinas around the cans in our club races.
Handling is better than most, with the overhead arch traveller making it easy to control main and headsail from the .
I think also that it wins in the quality stakes compared to Bavaria, ie lead not cast iron keel, bonze not plastic prop, real , and corian in the and . | | | | | 28-06-2007, 23:35 | | Boat: Super Van Craft 1320 Power Yacht
| model, where all had to have them stripped out and re-engineered as keels worked loose. Price is not always an indicator of good engineering or design.
One Hanse 371 lost its rudder and sank due to a failure in the stock caused by a retro-engineered keyway cut. No similar failures on any other 371 or indeed, any other model produced.
To my knowledge, two US Hunters (at least one was scuttled) lost their rudders due to failure in the fibreglass rudder stocks mid Ocean within the past few years.
But again, lots of other composite stocks have also failed, including a couple of well engineered Davidson 50's in Oz........
So with boat choice, its always going to be horses for course and all that. It is good we all love our own choices and defend them as we should, but maybe we should stop knocking other peoples choices for invalid reasons.
Cheers
JOHN Go see our blog at | | | | | 29-06-2007, 02:36 | | Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
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Bain Capital, the US private equity firm, yesterday announced the acquisition of Bavaria Yachtbau, Germany's biggest yachtmaker, in a deal believed to be worth as much as €1.3bn ($1.8bn).
According to the Financial Times, Bain Capital, a private equity company, paid as much as €1.3 billion (US$1.8 billion, £896 million) for the German sailboat and motorboat manufacturer, Bavaria.
This sum is equal to five times Bavaria's revenue of €271 million (US$365million, £182million) for the year ended July 2006, and a multiple in excess of 16 times the most recently filed earnings figure of €79 million on earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation (EBITDA).
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