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Gone But Not Forgotten- The Boat Brands We Loved That Are No More (Part 9)

The motoryacht movement with maxum, meridian, carver & marquis.

In my over forty years in the pleasure boat industry, there have been literally thousands of boat companies and brand names of boats in North America.

Some of these were and are strictly regional brands not known or recognized in the rest of the continent but many were national and even international brands known to most of us diehard boaters.

It is those well known and recognized brands that are no longer with us that I look forward to examining in this series. These brand names may still be corporately held in reserve but are not known to currently be in production.

In 1986, the Boat Group division of Brunswick Corporation , makers of Mercury outboard motors and MerCruiser sterndrive engines, purchased Sea Ray boats. They quickly followed up in the same year with the purchase of Bayliner . Both Sea Ray and Bayliner had been vying back and forth for a few years as to which was the largest pleasure boat manufacturer in the world. Now Brunswick would undoubtedly be number one.

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Sea Ray and Bayliner had also been perceived, rightly or wrongly by the boating industry, and more importantly by the boating public, as representing not necessarily the extremes, but relative opposite ends of the pleasure boat market in terms of desirability, price point, and quality. It was akin in those days to the positioning of General Motors and the Buick vs. Chevrolet argument.

Based on this market perception, Brunswick thought there may be room for a boat brand positioned between Sea Ray and Bayliner, just as General Motors had Pontiac and Oldsmobile positioned between its other two brands. Just two years after the acquisition of Sea Ray and Bayliner, in 1988 Brunswick created the Maxum brand for exactly that purpose.

Building out of a Bayliner facility in Pipestone, Minnesota, in 1989 Maxum Marine offered eight models from 16-23 feet. Growth as well as market acceptance of Maxum was slow, as many Maxum hulls were the same as Bayliner hulls but with different decks and inner liners. The public was confused. As Maxum offerings grew in size to include mid-cabin express cruisers and eventually full cruisers, production facilities were added in Salisbury, Maryland.

In 1999, ten years after its formation, Maxum was offering 18 models from 18-46 feet. This was a prelude to a 2000 news conference when Maxum introduced its all new “curvy and sexy-looking” 3500 SCR cruiser, the first Maxum to be designed independently from Bayliner with a distinct brand identity and independence.

In that news conference, Dave Heiss, Maxum’s Manager of Advertising and Marketing, said, "Now we can grow each brand's personality independent of the other." Production was extended to include facilities in Valdosta, Georgia and Miami, Oklahoma. Unfortunately, it seems that maybe the 10 years of public perception and confusion between brands had solidified in the marketplace because Maxum did not perform as anticipated. In 2001, the Valdosta facilities were sold and the Miami, Oklahoma facility closed down as the events of 9/11 resulted in a severe downturn in the pleasure boat industry.

Maxum announced a re-invigoration of its lineup in 2002 but it was too little, too late. By 2009, it had cut back its product offerings to 12 models from 18-37 feet. But damage had also been done by the horrendous financial downturn of 2008 and, after a 20-plus year run, Maxum boats were discontinued in 2009.

The downturn in Maxum sales in 2001 was reflected in almost the entire industry, including almost across the board in the Brunswick Boat Group. Bayliner was building over 50 models in five series of boats and its sales were hit hard. It was also building larger and larger boats up to almost 60 feet and not paying enough attention to the smaller boats in its lineup that had always been its winning formula.

2002 was the final year for Bayliner Motoryachts. In 2003, Brunswick launched its Meridian line of yachts out of Bayliner’s old yacht and former headquarters location in Arlington, Washington. Meridian started with the old Bayliner lineup of seven models of sedans, flybridges, and pilothouse motoryachts from 34-58 feet, with the direction and intention of gradually re-tooling the lineup.

This would include not only new and more aggressive designs but also new materials and hardware to bring the Meridian brand closer to Sea Ray and its perception quality. All Meridian models were equipped with Brunswick’s new Docking on Command™ system of utilizing bow and stern thrusters under a single control.

Sales rebounded under the new direction but the financial downturn of 2008 caused more rationalization of Brunswick’s facilities, including the closing of the Arlington plant and all Meridian production moving to Florida. In 2011, it was claimed that Meridian had the best selling sedan and flybridge cruisers in the United States for the past five years.

It was not enough, though, and by 2018 Brunswick Corp. announced the end of not only Meridian Yachts but also the yacht and sport yacht models of Sea Ray. It must be noted here that both Bayliner and Sea Ray continue to this day both as major manufacturers of pleasure boats.

As a post-script, while we are dealing with Bayliner and its many changes in product lines over the years, there are a couple of series (at least) that have come and gone over the years – series that many boaters will remember with fondness.

One series is the Avanti series of more upscale mid-cabin express cruisers and flybridge boats from 29-40 feet from the years 1987 to 1999. The second series is a personal favourite of mine and one that has attracted almost a cult-like following from long-range cruisers. That series is the Pilothouse Motoryacht models 4588, 4788, 5288, and 5788 built in various of those lengths between 1985 and 2002, and of course continued under Meridian in 2003 and until model changes were made.

It is difficult for me to believe that Carver Yachts , one of the most popular and recognizable motor yacht brands found almost everywhere for decades might no longer be with us. It was said to have closed its doors permanently in mid-2021. Its huge production facilities in Pulaski, Wisconsin, which it shared with Marquis Yachts, was almost simultaneously purchased by KCS International, parent company of Cruisers Yachts of nearby Oconto, Wisconsin.

Charlie Carter and George Verhagen put the three first letters of each of their last names together to create the “Carver” name in Milwaukee, Wisconsin in 1954. Their first designs were mahogany planked runabouts. As sales grew, in 1956 they moved operations to Pulaski, a short distance northwest of Green Bay.

In the 1960’s, Carver recognized the growing consumer demand for “family-sized” overnighters and built roomy boats to satisfy that market. It recognized the growing demand for flybridge models as well. By 1971, Carver was offering seven models from 21-31 feet, all of which were built from wood.

By the mid-70's, Carver introduced fiberglass hulls but still with wooden superstructures. It first introduced its Mariner series at this time, one of the roomiest boats on the market with loads of indoor living space all on one level. It also came with a huge flybridge which had the only helm control station. The Carver 33-Mariner of the 1970’s satisfied both consumer boating needs and was a huge sales success. The Mariner series expanded over the years while keeping its original successful design philosophies.

By the 1980’s, Carver had grown worldwide into a major builder of what became referred to as motor yachts. The 32 and 36 flybridge aft cabin motor yachts became synonymous with Carver as boat owners enjoyed the privacy of an aft cabin stateroom with a private head compartment, while guests slept at the extreme other end of the boat in the bow.

In 1985, Carver was purchased by Miramar Marine Corp which soon added another production facility in North Carolina. Carver then started building Miramar’s new acquisition of Californian Yachts and offering them through its vast worldwide dealer network. In 1990, Carver offered a substantial lineup of 30 models from 22-55 feet including six Californian models. Sales topped out over $200 million.

The federal luxury tax of early 1991 along with an economic turndown almost crippled Carver. Buyout specialist Irwin Jacobs worked his magic and by the end of the year had assembled Miramar along with Carver into his Genmar Industries. A few years later, this became Genmar Holdings, Inc. which evolved into one of the world’s largest pleasure boat manufacturers.

In 1992, Genmar purchased Trojan Yachts of Pennsylvania and moved the tooling and molds to Pulaski to build the yachts there. Trojan’s lineup ranged from 30-46 foot express and sport cruisers, but unfortunately it did not last long. California Yachts was sold. Meanwhile, Carver started to rebound under new management and with the repeal of the luxury tax a year later.

The late-90's saw consumer demand wanting luxurious interior accommodations and Carver was happy to oblige. By the end of the 1990’s it introduced its ultra-luxurious 53 and 57 Voyager Pilothouse motor yachts with their ”skylounge” helm station with powered Captain’s chair, huge flybridge, solid finished cherrywood cabinetry throughout, leatherette furniture, and plush carpeting.

Following this success, Carver saw the need for even more luxury and better sales in European and offshore markets. In 2002, it started working with the Italian design team of Nuvolari & Lenard. This resulted in Carver building new upscale European designed Nuvari yachts from a new facility in Fano, Italy. With this background, in 2004, Carver created Marquis Yachts as an even more upscale line with European influences built in the Pulaski facilities. Originally, Marquis offered two models, the 59-foot and 65-foot motor yachts, and their success led to a full line from 42-72 feet.

In the same year, 2004, the Genmar Holdings, Inc. portfolio included 18 boat brands, but the financial crisis of 2008 had a devastating cumulative effect resulting in its bankruptcy. At the subsequent auction in 2010, Platinum Equity Group purchased the bulk of the brands, while Irwin Jacobs and a partner purchased Carver and Marquis Yachts. Shortly thereafter they added the Larson group to form the Marquis-Larson Boat Group consisting of six brands: Marquis, Carver, Larson, Larson FX, Larson Escape, and Striper.

After all of these changes, Carver tried to revitalize itself with some striking new designs which didn’t catch on with the market. In 2019, Larson, FX, Escape, and Striper were sold to the Polaris Group. For 2021, Carver was offering only six models from 34-52 feet, none of which had any resemblance to the Carver models which had excelled in the marketplace in the past.

Carver and Marquis were closed in summer of 2021. The extensive Pulaski manufacturing facilities were purchased by KCS International of nearby Oconto, the parent company of Cruisers Yachts, builders of 16 models from 33-60 feet. This company was then almost immediately purchased by MarineMax , the largest recreational boat dealership company with a hundred locations worldwide. Cruisers Yachts continues to excel.

Don't forget to check out:

Part 1- The Story of OMC

Part 2- Chrysler Boats, the Chris Craft Stinger, the Sea Ray Pachanga, and the Houseboat Craze of the 1970's

Part 3- A Retrospective Look at the Peak of Doral, Thundercraft, Magnum, Cadorette, Sunray, & Peterborough

Part 4- Connecting the Heydeys of Silverline, Striper, Owens, Penn Yan, Rinker, and Winner

Part 5- The West Coast Influence of Fiberform, Sun Runner, Apollo, Uniflite, Tollycraft, & Prowler

Part 6- The 'Sleek & Sexy' Era of Sidewinder, HydroStream, Switzer Craft, Challenger, and Lone Star

Part 7- The Web of Connections Between Thompson Boats, Cruisers Yachts, Slickcraft, Grew, Tiara, Pursuit, and Chris Craft

Part 8- The Incredibly Short but Influential Eras of Mariah, Lyman, Celebrity, and MFG

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Started in the late 1950s, two men Charlie Carter and George Verhagen built custom mahogany boats has a hobby selling to Friends and Family. Continuing to grow into one of the most popular builders of family cruisers and motoryachts from the Great Lakes.

Expanding beyond the great lakes and encompassing the world, Carver was acquired into a much larger family by Genmar Holdings in the 1990s. In the 2000s the Voyager models made their debuts, with the flagship 570 model become one of the most popular Pilothouse yachts on the market. Building on the Pilothouse style, Carver began production of the Marquis Class of Yachts in 2003 and has become one of the nicest premium boat brands to date.

Cruisers Yachts Expands Into Former Carver/Marquis Wisconsin Facility

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The state-of-the-art manufacturing facility in Pulaski, Wisconsin, where Carver and Marquis yachts were previously built, was recently purchased by KCS International, Inc., the parent company of Cruisers Yachts.

The addition of the 216,000-square-foot purpose-built manufacturing space on 15 acres will significantly expand Cruisers’ brand and production capacity, while opening up the brand to the nearby highly skilled workforce with generational heritage in yacht construction.

“The opportunity to acquire this world class facility will allow us to meet customer demands and expand our very aggressive new product development schedule,” says Mark Pedersen, president of KCS International. “Our global dealership partners have done an excellent job expanding our market share across our full product line-up. We have experienced unprecedented growth over the past 24 months, and this facility will help us meet our customers’ current and future demands.”

The company anticipates hiring around 150 additional crew members to run the new facility, as well as an additional 75 workers at the existing Oconto, Wisconsin, location.

To learn more, visit cruisersyachts.com .

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Carver 65 Marquis

• By Dudley Dawson
• Updated: October 4, 2007

When one thinks of Pulaski, Wisconsin (pop. 2,200), international style and panache are likely not the first things that come to mind. That’s about to change, thanks to Carver Boat Corp. and its new 65-foot Marquis motoryacht.

The company built its first boat 50 years ago, when Charlie Carter and George Verhagen got together in Verhagen’s Milwaukee garage to build themselves a mahogany runabout. Transitioning from hobby to business, they soon began selling their creations to friends. From that simple beginning, Carver-a combination of their last names-was born.

The company has marked a lot of milestones since 1954, including its 1956 move from Milwaukee to Pulaski, the introduction of its full-cabin boats and flying-bridge models, in the ’60s, and its progression from wood to fiberglass construction, in the early ’70s. Later came distinctive models such as those in the Mariner series, boats beloved by owners for their abundance of interior volume.

Now comes a move sure to alter Carver’s course significantly and set its direction for years to come: the introduction of the Marquis line. (The premiere Marquis, a 59-foot model, debuted last year.) The new 65-footer is not simply a bigger Carver, in concept or in execution; she is a whole new animal. The company reached beyond its own doors to ensure the new series would be not just what Carver wanted, but what knowledgeable yachtsmen would demand. She is nothing short of world-class.

Carver brought in renowned naval architect Donald L. Blount for advice on hull lines and performance. It tapped Ward’s Marine Electric, a company with a great history of its own, to specify the electrical, control and navigational systems for the yachts. And after looking worldwide, Carver enlisted the Venetian design team of Carlo Nuvolari and Dan Lenard for the exterior styling. The Italian duo also laid out the interior arrangement and worked with A La Mer on the décor.

The use of a team with this depth of experience is common for the world’s largest custom superyachts, where cost is no object, but it is a bit unusual for a production boat company such as Carver to carry planning to this extent. The result is worth whatever Carver invested, for the Marquis 65 went well beyond my expectations. Built entirely in Wisconsin with uncompromising attention to the preferences of American buyers, the yacht is an exceptional combination of styling, accommodation and performance that has an undeniable Italian flair, yet is heir to the tradition of spacious comfort pioneered over the years by the Carver Mariners.

It was high tide at Ft. Lauderdale’s Bahia Mar, so I boarded the Marquis via the stern rather than the side bulwark gate, across a sizable platform that can be dropped to water level for swimming or even lower for launching and retrieving a small tender. Up a few steps, and I was at the curved stainless-framed glass saloon door, where I found a little something extra: a screen. Blessed as this land of ours is with mosquitoes, black flies and no-see-ums, the screen is very sensible, and it rolled effortlessly into place.

Beyond the entry lay an uninterrupted vista that took in the saloon, dining room, galley, pilothouse and the horizon ahead. It is not easy to keep such a space from looking long and narrow, especially when a yacht carries full side decks, but the designers achieved it through a combination of several techniques. First, there is an abundance of windows along the sides of the house, expanding the apparent width of the room. Second, partial dividers-the port one holding the galley’s refrigerator/freezer and the starboard one serving as a base for the open glass stairs to the flying bridge-visually differentiate the saloon from the remainder of the deck. Finally, the helm area is elevated slightly, providing a better view for the captain, who sits centerline on a comfortable Stidd helm chair, and his guests, who can relax nearby on the circular settee forward of the galley.

The feeling here, and throughout the Marquis, is one of refined modernity. There are no sharp corners, with joinery-edge moldings and bulkhead knuckles displaying large radii that are attractive and safe at sea. All woodwork is cherry with a deep, high-gloss finish. Veneer grain patterns are well matched, and many countertops are cut from burl to offer visual contrast.

The dining table is a work of art in itself, in appearance and function. The oval tabletop has a starburst veneer pattern, with Nuvolari & Lenard’s trademark curved diamond in the center, a theme echoed in the saloon overhead and the backs of the dining chairs. The tabletop is mounted on a sturdy, fixed center post, but it slides outboard to create a wider passageway fore and aft when not in use.

Cream colors were selected for the carpets and overheads aboard our test boat, along with lighter colors for the leather chairs and settees, but décor and some other design elements are largely up to the buyer. Kim Riley, Carver’s director of communications, and Randy Peterson, manager of propulsion and systems engineering, explained that while Carver does not offer customization of the Marquis 65, the company would consider reasonable “special options in addition to the extensive list of “owner preference items that forms part of the yacht’s specifications.

Several of those items were aboard our test boat, including a full fiberglass hardtop that is sure to be a buyer favorite. In the sunny climes of Florida, it will keep things tolerable, with or without the available air-conditioning. Up on the Great Lakes, the top and removable enclosure curtains will extend the boating season considerably.

Belowdecks, the Marquis carries six guests in three cabins clustered around a marble-sole lower foyer. The VIP stateroom, forward with a queen island berth, has cedar-lined lockers to port and starboard. There’s also a smaller guest cabin to port, with twin berths and an en suite head that doubles as a day head. Both guest heads have showers that are equipped with seats and grab rails.

The master stateroom, positioned amidships, is as large and well appointed as some I’ve seen on 100-footers. His-and-her baths flank a centerline tub, and the clear glass enclosure can be rendered opaque instantly, at the flip of a switch. Stowage is abundant, with multiple drawers and a locker to starboard that is not only a walk-in space, but a “walk around in space. A settee and vanity complete the outfitting.

The Marquis 65 is a dream under way, both at sea and in tight quarters. She rides like a much larger yacht, yet handles like one much smaller. We ran at speed through some confused slop offshore, and her quick response to the rudders and trim tabs hoisted the bow easily as we turned into the seas and passed a boat 30 feet longer having a much tougher time of it. We had bow- and sternthrusters, which are nice but not necessary, and did not have stabilizers. Frankly, I didn’t miss them-I assumed they were fitted and operating until I looked for the controls. Our test boat carried an optional crew cabin abaft the engineroom, but the Marquis 65 is well within the capabilities of a skilled owner-operator. To me, half the pleasure of this yacht would be in driving her.

Contact: Carver Boat Corp., (920) 822-3214; www.marquisyachts.com . For more information, contact: (866) 922-4877

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timvail Senior Member

We have just recently sold our sea ray and are looking to purchase between 35 to 40 foot MY. We have been looking at carvers as we like the layout. We have recently heard some discouraging news regarding the older ones. Any comments or suggestions would be most helpful.\tks tim

wscott52 Senior Member

I don't know specifics, someone here will, but the Carvers I've been on didn't seem very well built. I think Sea Ray is generally a better built boat. I did have a marine surveyor once, after ragging on Carvers, tell me Silvertons were surprisingly well built boats.

CaptTom Senior Member

My family and I had a 1987 34 Silverton Convertible for 17 years. Based in Long Island, NY, we cruised all over the south shore, around Manhattan, tons of offshore ocean fishing, even up the Hudson to Albany. Nice, solid hull, all glass at least below the waterline. Drilled a hole in the bottom for a transducer and the plug had no wood or coring. Had it in 6+ footers a few times. It's not always the build of the boat that makes an experience good or bad but the experience and knowledge behind the wheel. Anyway, sleeps 4 comfy, 6 is possible, you'll have more options with kids (i.e. took the dinette table down and had my infant son sleep on the dinette floor on blankets, worked well. 40-fotters around the late 1980's had same type of layout but much more room, which may suite you.

RER Senior Member

Not sure what you mean by 'older' ...some people think a 2002 model is old. With an older boat, and I'll assume you mean at least 10 years old, I don't get too hung up on model year or brand. If it's 10 years old or 15 years old what matters to me is the care the boat has received and the condition that it's in. When I buy an older boat I look at it like I'm paying the seller for care and upkeep during the period of time he's owned it. I value a knowledgeable owner/seller as much or more than a particular brand.

mbgator New Member

Older Carver's Last summer we purchased a '85 Carver Riviera. 28' with twin crusaders. Very well maintained. We are the 3rd owner, first had it for 17 years and loved the boat dearly. The 2nd owner just kept it at the marina and didn't use it. After a thorough survey, weeks of cleaning - we are very proud of her. Solid boat for a 28 footer.

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By older we mean something late '80s. Specifically we had been looking at 3607's or 3807's. And in the mid '90's, perhaps the 355. We'd always thought Carvers to be solid, well made boats....there are certainly a number of them around here, and are popular, but after doing a little research, have heard a number of sources tell us that they are not as solid as they appear. mbgator: contrats on your Riviera! Just a few years ago that was our "dream boat". But at the time, they were out of our range and now we'd like something a little different. Nice boat though!

Fireman431 Senior Member

I have a 2001 Carver 374 Voyager. I am the second owner and picked it up after realizing what a decent boat they really are. I have done a lot of research on the Carvers, Silvertons, Meridian (Bayliner), Maxums, etc. The older Carvers, generally older than the early 90's, weren't constructed as well. They had foam and coring below the waterline and lots of wood in their stringers. As the manufacturing process progressed, they had to come into compliance with stricter guidelines for the NMMA certifications. My vessel has no coring (fiberglass only) below the waterline. TONS of sealent between fittings and with all fasteners, very nice fit & finish to all fiberglass parts--no giant gaps to fill in with caulking. The interiors are some the best in their mid-range cruiser class. Just make sure that the boat has been preperly cared for and all maintenance completed as scheduled. Good luck on whatever purchase you make.

geriksen Senior Member

We work on a lot of them here. Quality is between Silverton and Sea Ray. The biggest problem we see is that they had layup issues that lead to massive blisters. Big, deep ones. I have seen some that almost go all the way though the hull on Carvers.. The Santego's are actually great boats but don't sell very well. The old 4207 was a great boat with 3208 cats. Some of the other models are just plain goofy. We call the Mariner "the orthopedic shoe" After 2001 they all sort of look like plastic bubbles like Meridian, Silverton, etc.

CaptTom said: My family and I had a 1987 34 Silverton Convertible for 17 years. Based in Long Island, NY, we cruised all over the south shore, around Manhattan, tons of offshore ocean fishing, even up the Hudson to Albany. Nice, solid hull, all glass at least below the waterline. Drilled a hole in the bottom for a transducer and the plug had no wood or coring. Had it in 6+ footers a few times. It's not always the build of the boat that makes an experience good or bad but the experience and knowledge behind the wheel. Anyway, sleeps 4 comfy, 6 is possible, you'll have more options with kids (i.e. took the dinette table down and had my infant son sleep on the dinette floor on blankets, worked well. 40-fotters around the late 1980's had same type of layout but much more room, which may suite you. Click to expand...

carver boats Thanks everyone for your help. I hope a good surveyer can locate the concerns that may arise in the boat we choose.

Regarding your surveyor: 1) They hate it, but watch everything the surveyor does. I had the survey done on my boat and they provided everything including compression tests on the engine. They indicated each cylinder pressure, took oil samples for the engines and genset, pulled the boat and checked the hull, out drives, shafts, seals, etc. However, I discovered that they forged the cylinder pressures because there was a broken plug that they missed plus one that was seized in the cylinder head. That was because the big fat surveyor couldn't get his bug butt on the outboard side of the engines. 2) Get a reputable company. There are fly-by-night compaines that won't certify their results. Get someone that's beenin business for a while. 3) By sticking with the surveyor and asking questions, you're likely to learn somehing about the vessel and what to look for on your own. I learned a lot about what to look for on the hull and shafts when I pull the boat for zincs and visable inspection.

geriksen said: We work on a lot of them here. Quality is between Silverton and Sea Ray. The biggest problem we see is that they had layup issues that lead to massive blisters. Big, deep ones. I have seen some that almost go all the way though the hull on Carvers. Click to expand...

NYCAP123 Senior Member

Fireman431 said: Regarding your surveyor: 1) They hate it, but watch everything the surveyor does. I had the survey done on my boat and they provided everything including compression tests on the engine. They indicated each cylinder pressure, took oil samples for the engines and genset, pulled the boat and checked the hull, out drives, shafts, seals, etc. However, I discovered that they forged the cylinder pressures because there was a broken plug that they missed plus one that was seized in the cylinder head. That was because the big fat surveyor couldn't get his bug butt on the outboard side of the engines. 2) Get a reputable company. There are fly-by-night compaines that won't certify their results. Get someone that's beenin business for a while. 3) By sticking with the surveyor and asking questions, you're likely to learn somehing about the vessel and what to look for on your own. I learned a lot about what to look for on the hull and shafts when I pull the boat for zincs and visable inspection. Click to expand...

joe miglio New Member

mbgator said: ↑ Older Carver's Last summer we purchased a '85 Carver Riviera. 28' with twin crusaders. Very well maintained. We are the 3rd owner, first had it for 17 years and loved the boat dearly. The 2nd owner just kept it at the marina and didn't use it. After a thorough survey, weeks of cleaning - we are very proud of her. Solid boat for a 28 footer. Click to expand...

Capt J Senior Member

wscott52 said: ↑ I don't know specifics, someone here will, but the Carvers I've been on didn't seem very well built. I think Sea Ray is generally a better built boat. I did have a marine surveyor once, after ragging on Carvers, tell me Silvertons were surprisingly well built boats. Click to expand...

Joe Thanks for reaching-out. We loved our Riveria and occasionally discuss how much we enjoyed the boat. When first purchased, the survey returned a single page of recommended items, all cleared-up within a weekend. Very little was noted, and nothing structural. Very solid boat, easy to handle and a breeze to dock. While not as fast as a 30 Sundancer, she was easily as stable and had twice as much 'livable' room aboard. Fuel consumption is relative, but I ran her at 17 - 18 knots and averaged about 20 gph at that speed on Lake Michigan. I could keep her on plane at as little as 15 knots before she fell-off. One downside to note - she's not a 'dry boat', the bow doesn't have enough flare to keep all the spray off the windshield, but that wasn't a problem. Does the boat you are looking-at have A/C, is it gas or diesel, genset installed? Keep us posted.

Cindy F New Member

We are also looking at a 1986 Riviera and would appreciate any comments about the boat. It has been completely restored inside with all new cushions etc. It seems to have been very well maintained. I 've read a lot of negative reviews about Carver boats, especially the older ones. We don't plan on any long trips, just want to explore the SW Florida coastline. I'm wondering if it may be a good little boat for us, as its very roomy below. The price is $30,000, so for the money, we can't expect too much. The engine has been refurbished and has 700 hours. Any thoughts on this boat?

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"Surprisingly, for a boat of this size, all-round visibility from the pilothouse is excellent, even looking aft through the main saloon, thanks to the clever layout of the windows. There’s no black spots on this boat, which gives the skipper control of the vessel at all times."

–yachtandboat.com

"Long before we started the big Volvo Pentas, the Carver 570 Voyager impressed me with her thoughtful arrangement plan, standard equipment, materials and workmanship. The company's goal is to build comfortable, luxurious cruising yachts at a reasonable price, and this boat fits the profile nicely."

–Yachting Magazine

"Throughout a variety of maneuvers, including hard turns and offshore speed runs, the 570 gave us a stable, solid ride. It handled responsively, and had a tight turning radius for its size."

–Boating World Magazine

Owner and editor of the PowerBoat Guide, Ed is a contributing writer for Denison Yacht Sales.

Carver has been building motor yachts longer than many of today’s yacht brokers have been out of grade school. Beginning with a succession of popular aft cabin models in the 1980s, by the early 2000s the Carver fleet had grown to include several cruising yachts in the 50-foot range. These were good years for the yachting industry and Carver rode a wave of sales success with several midsize motor yachts and cruisers. Among them were four notable models over 50 feet in length that became market leaders in their category. Profiled below, Carver sold so many of these yachts that they are now easily found on every big-boat brokerage market in the country.

It all came to a halt with the Great Recession in 2007, but even though parent company Genmar went bankrupt in 2009 Carver never stopped building boats. The company was restructured, new owners took over and today Carver has resumed its place as one of America’s truly iconic builders.

A versatile layout and affordable price made the 570 a huge sales success for Carver.

2001 Model (CT) .................................... $449,000

2002 Model (FL) ..................................... $325,000

2002 Model (FL) ..................................... $499,000

2003 Model (MI) ..................................... $395,000

2003 Model (TN) .................................... $399,000

2004 Model (NY) .................................... $425,000

2004 Model (FL) ..................................... $475,000

"Solid construction, access for easy upgrades, a desirable layout, and long-life diesel engines combine for a sought-after cruiser on the brokerage market, and Carver’s Voyager 560 checks off all the boxes."

–Power& Motoryacht Magazine

"Luxury and comfort await in three very accommodating staterooms. Newly designed vertical hull portholes bathe the full beam master stateroom in warm, natural light. Add to this a generously appointed interior that’s as beautiful as it is practical, and the 560 Voyager is an irresistible retreat ready-made for family and friends."

–topspeed.com

"From her three sumptuous cabins to the spacious salon to the well-appointed flying bridge, this motor yacht is loaded with big features and small details. Add the comfort and versatility of the contemporary dual-station layout and you’ve got a winner. The Voyager is truly the total package- style, luxury, engineering, and value."

The 560 Voyager’s sleek appearance and superior accommodations struck the right note with buyers.

Typical MLS Listings*

2004 Model (FL) .................................... $475,000

2005 Model (FL) ..................................... $515,000

2004 Model (TN) .................................... $459,000

2006 Model (AL) .................................... $539,000

2007 Model (KS) .................................... $539,000

*Compiled in June, 2019

"Carver pays meticulous attention to the craftmanship and technology of its yachts. .. If your taste runs toward a big comfortable cruising yacht with the kind of style that satisfies both the mind and eye, Carver’s 530 Voyager Pilothouse just might be your starship."

–Boattest.com

"The essence of the change at Carver is most evident in the Voyager's pilothouse where the skipper sits in solitary splendor. Among the more pleasant aspects of the boat was the conversation-level silent running and the livability below while underway."

–Boating Magazine

The 530’s classic pilothouse lines will probably always be in style, and the spacious cherry wood interior ranked with the most comfortable cruising yachts of her day.

–PowerBoat Guide

1998 Model (CA) .................................... $299,000

1998 Model (VA) .................................... $220,000

1999 Model (MS) ................................... $289,000

1999 Model (FL) .................................... $210,000

2000 Model (MA) ................................... $230,000

2000 Model (ME) ................................... $280,000

2001 Model (FL) .................................... $289,000

2001 Model (FL) .................................... $325,000

No other midsize motoryacht of her day surpassed the sales popularity of the 530 Voyager.

The vast interior spaces of the Carver 506 are perfect for entertaining family and friends.

"...the 506 is an impressive design with an appealing modern approach to styling. Her 51-foot, 7-inch LOA and 15-foot, 4-inch beam are common for a yacht of her type, but within those dimensions Carver delivers a layout one might find on a 60-footer."

"Carver makes great use of the 15'4" beam in the 506 by pushing out the salon nearly to the hullsides. But how can that be? What happened to the sidedecks? They're still there, but they have been raised well above the hull's sheerline."

"The 506 is an aft-cabin motoryacht that combines the aft deck and pilothouse into a single, wide-open space under a hardtop. This design, combined with accommodations for six, makes her ideal for long-range cruising in any weather."

–Boattest.com  

2000 Model (MD) ................................... $209,000

2000 Model (MO) ................................... $289,000

2000 Model (MN) ................................... $229,000

2001 Model (NY) .................................... $275,000

2001 Model (IL) ...................................... $225,000

2002 Model (IL) ...................................... $329,000

2002 Model (FL) ..................................... $394,000

2001 Model (FL) ..................................... $234,000

Ed is the editor and publisher of the PowerBoat Guide.

4 Top Selling Carver Motor Yachts That Are Always in Demand

Carver 570 Voyager, 2001–05

Carver 560 Voyager, 2004–09

Carver 530 Voyager, 1998–2005

Carver 506 Motor Yacht, 2000–03

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Carver Hulls..True or False

• Thread starter carver 2557
• Start date Aug 24, 2010

carver 2557

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• Aug 24, 2010

Is it true or false that Carver did not use a core below the rub rail..In my case it is a 1989 Carver 2557..  

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I suspect that every model and year is different. Have someone shine a bright light at the hull form outside while you look and an unpainted inside area behind a panel. Coring will show as big square pattern.  

370 Motoryacht

Not true. Below the waterline maybe, but my boat is cored from the rubrail to the waterline.  

• Aug 25, 2010

All Carver models ending with 7 or higher are solid fiberglass frome the waterline to the keel and are cored in the hullsides and decking. Carver models ending with a 6 (2896, 3396, etc...) are fully cored to the keel. It's hard to break it down to a model year because the ---6's were replaced by the ---7's gradually. So to answer you carver2557...your boat is solid glass below the waterline.  

Not wanting to pull the fire alarm but, I have a 2001 356 motor yacht. Has there been any problems. What and where should I be looking for core problems. Billy K.  

• Aug 26, 2010

No known issues BillyK. I've seen a rare few (that have had ports/windows/hatches replaced) that can have wet coring in the hull sides. But the most common place would be the foredeck near the hatch and windlass. Again, your boat has a solid fiberglass bottom and woodless stringers, so fear not about those two places  

Kenny, how about my '99 44o express?  

Same with the Carver Trojans Hogan. Solid fiberglass bottoms cored hulls and decks, fiberglass only stringer systems. No known problem areas. The first two model years (96, 97) were made at the Hatteras facility when they were owned by Genmar, then moved to Wisconsin in 1998. The build quality improved greatly on the Carver made boats...which kind of surprised me in a good way.  

My 1987 2827 has a all solid glass hull, cored from the rub rail up. There is, however, a wood pad glassed to the inside of the hull inside where the struts are attched. This is for rigidity. Bob  

quote: Originally posted by RamSport47 No known issues BillyK. I've seen a rare few (that have had ports/windows/hatches replaced) that can have wet coring in the hull sides. But the most common place would be the foredeck near the hatch and windlass. Again, your boat has a solid fiberglass bottom and woodless stringers, so fear not about those two places Click to expand...

Hap-E-Cruzer

• Sep 10, 2010

The admiral really likes the 396 Aft Cabin. We are considering it to be our next purchase. I am told that all Carvers built after 2001 had solid fiberglass hulls. No coring. Is that true, but especially is it true on the 396?  

quote: Originally posted by RamSport47 Same with the Carver Trojans Hogan. Solid fiberglass bottoms cored hulls and decks, fiberglass only stringer systems. No known problem areas. The first two model years (96, 97) were made at the Hatteras facility when they were owned by Genmar, then moved to Wisconsin in 1998. The build quality improved greatly on the Carver made boats...which kind of surprised me in a good way. Click to expand...

• Sep 11, 2010

I didn't know any Carvers had fiberglass stringers. My 1990 2767 Carver Santego would have a solid fiberglass bottom (ending in 7), but the stringers are wood. The location of the remote oil filter was lag bolted to a stringer with no sealant and has moisture damage. Also where I drilled thru the bulkhead directly foward of the engines, there was wood under the fiberglass matting.  

• Sep 12, 2010

Hap-E...All Carvers built from the early 1980's to present day use coring in the hullsides with solid bottoms. 396's have woodless stringers and solid bottoms as well. Carver used wood stringers in all boats until the 4207 came out tehn started phasing them out, finally completing that effort in 2001 when the 350 Mariner finally went to a fiberglass stringer system. All boats smaller than that had wood stringers and some larger ones prior to specific model changes.  

• Sep 13, 2010

Thanks Kenny, That's what I was hoping to hear. We really like the 420 Sea Ray as well but the cored hull scares me. Since the 396 is close in size and lay out we will probably concentrate on that model. I have heard so many stories about Sea Rays hull problems and would like some way to confirm. Do you know of anything I should watch out for in the 396? Thanks.....  

Woodless stringers in a Carver? First I ever heard of this. How does Carver do this? I know a few techniques but there are no Carvers I have seen that look like they have no wood. My Father-In-Law has a 2003 350 Mariner, and they look like fiberglass over wood stringers to me. The limber holes are sealed like they would if they were protecting wood from water intrusion. Shel  

Hollow glass, I have inspection plates in my stringers. A quick look would confirm!  

• Sep 14, 2010

They're called a "top hat" style stringer. They are made independently on a mold outside of the boat and then glassed into the hull while it is still in the mold so the hull keeps its intended shape. The 350 Mariner went to woodless in 2001.  

If that is the case, I'm sort of impressed. I will have to take a second look at my in-law's Mariner. I have top hat stringers in my boat, but they are very different than the ones in the Mariner. Shel  

Sounds like Kenny really knows the Carvers. Now if I could just get someone with Sea Ray knowledge to be honest about the hull coring from 1996 to 2002. Any 420 Sea Ray owners out there? Anyone have any first hand experiences with the Sea Ray hull problems?  

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Every Far Cry Game: A Full History of Releases in Order

From pirate-infested islands to the aftermath of a nuclear apocalypse, here's the full history of far cry.

Far Cry really has done it all: a two-decade-long span of sequels set across the world, a wide range of spin-offs, and a movie adaptation. The franchise even dove into the realm of anime last year, with Captain Laserhawk: A Blood Dragon Remix bringing the neon-tinged, tongue-in-cheek world of Far Cry: Blood Dragon to Netflix. As shown in the trailer video above, we can now celebrate 20 years of Far Cry, revisiting the journey from Far Cry 1 in 2004 to Far Cry 6 in 2021.

The Far Cry series has become a fixture of Ubisoft’s lineup , quickly accumulating a long lineage of games for players to dig through. Below, we’ll carve through this lengthy history, listing every game in release order and offering newcomers a recommendation of the best place to start.

How Many Far Cry Games Are There?

Excluding remasters and ports, there are 13 Far Cry games – 12 on home console/PC and one on mobile devices. Far Cry VR: Dive Into Insanity is also excluded given its lack of accessibility — it cannot be played at home, only at Zero Latency VR locations.

Where’s the Best Place to Start?

Thanks to plenty of ports on modern consoles, Far Cry is a series with a ton of viable jumping-off points. Far Cry 3, 4, 5 and 6 can all be purchased on PlayStation 5, Xbox Series X|S, and PC, and considering each of these games are very similar in mechanics and design, they should give you a good taste of Far Cry’s approach to open-world gameplay.

That being said, Far Cry 3 and 4 are largely considered the strongest of the bunch and are great entry points for those looking to sink their teeth into the series. Either option will provide a glimpse of Far Cry at its best.

Every Far Cry Game in Release Order

These blurbs contain mild spoilers for each game, including characters, settings, and story beats.

1. Far Cry (2004)

The birth of the series, and the only entry developed by Crytek, Far Cry hit PC in 2004 and later made its way to Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Slotting players into the boots of former special forces operative Jack Carver, Far Cry takes place on a group of remote tropical islands swarming with trigger-happy mercenaries.

Trapped on the sunny locale’s shores after his boat is met with artillery strikes, Jack is forced to face his pursuers and embark on an adventure across the danger-filled archipelago, searching for a journalist he was escorting who mysteriously disappeared. Much like later games in the series, Far Cry focused largely on tense gun fights, stealth, and using open-ended environments to get the drop on enemies.

2. Far Cry: Instincts (2005)

In 2005, Ubisoft Montreal took over development duties on Far Cry, releasing a remake of the original game titled Far Cry: Instincts . It was exclusive to Xbox and followed the same story as the original, albeit with a fresh coat of paint and a handful of new mechanics.

Included was a trap system, which allowed players to booby trap objects to catch enemies by surprise, as well as new Feral Abilities, which gave Jack thermal vision, a powerful melee attack, increased running speed, and several other game-changing perks.

3. Far Cry Instincts: Evolution (2006)

A year later, Ubisoft released the first Far Cry sequel, Far Cry Instincts: Evolution . A direct follow-up to the story of Far Cry: Instincts, Evolution resumes the story of Jack Carver, who finds himself once again stranded on a tropical island after an arms deal gone wrong.

Framed for a murder he didn’t commit, Jack finds himself on a mission to clear his name, going up against a mysterious native chieftain and his band of fierce rebels. Alongside its fresh campaign, Evolution added additional weapons and vehicles, as well as a new slate of multiplayer maps and level-editor items.

4. Far Cry Vengeance (2006)

In December 2006, Ubisoft released its first Far Cry game on the Wii. Titled Far Cry Vengeance , it was something of a reimagining of Far Cry Instincts: Evolution, telling a similar but slightly altered story in which protagonist Jack Carver is arrested before he can make his way to the aforementioned arms deal.

The biggest difference, however, isFar Cry Vengeance offered a full suite of motion controls. Using the Wiimote, players could aim guns and perform melee attacks. The game also featured a split-screen versus mode, although Evolution’s online multiplayer and level editor didn’t make the cut.

5. Far Cry 2

Two years later, Ubisoft Montreal shifted the Far Cry series away from its supernatural origins, opting for a grittier, more grounded Far Cry 2 . The sequel took the franchise to an unspecified country in Africa, casting players as a gun-for-hire sent to find and kill an arms dealer known as the Jackal.

Arriving during an ongoing civil war, the protagonist quickly realizes catching the Jackal will require playing both sides of the conflict, prompting them to exploit the power struggle to close in on their target. Far Cry 2 was a major change of pace for the franchise, focusing on brutal combat and tough moral choices within a fully open world. Among the new mechanics was a buddy system, where players could team with AI companions who would assist them on missions.

6. Far Cry 2 Mobile (2008)

A tie-in to the console release of the sequel, developer Gameloft released a mobile adaptation of Far Cry 2 in the months following the base game’s launch. It was a loose retelling of the events reframed as a top-down, 2D shooter.

Much like the original game, players arrive in Africa to take down the Jackal, going on missions and teaming with AI partners. Due to technical restraints, the mobile port of Far Cry 2 doesn’t feature an open world, focusing on linear levels and hubs you can explore between contracts.

7. Far Cry 3 (2012)

Four years after Far Cry 2, Ubisoft returned for the franchise’s most defining entry to date: Far Cry 3 . Following new protagonist Jason Brody, the game begins with a holiday from hell, as Jason and his group of friends' skydiving trip lands them on a remote island occupied by an army of pirates.

Kidnapped by their leader, the eccentric but ruthless Vaas (played by Better Call Saul’s Michael Mando), Jason manages to escape and join up with a local rebel militia opposing Vaas and his men. With his friends still captured, Jason begins an adventure to find them and escape the island in one piece, all the while being relentlessly pursued by Vaas.

Far Cry 3 was, in a lot of ways, a turning point for the franchise, introducing several elements that went on to become staples of the series. From radio towers that reveal the map and enemy outposts the player can liberate, to the introduction of a sinister lead villain that lives to chew the scenery, Far Cry 3 was the foundation of the Far Cry formula as we know it today.

8. Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon (2013)

A year on from the release of Far Cry 3, Ubisoft launched a standalone spin-off titled Blood Dragon . Taking the series in a new, neon-infused direction, Blood Dragon was a tongue-in-cheek parody of cheesy ‘80s sci-fi action flicks, casting players as a one-liner spitting cyborg badass known as Sergeant Rex Colt.

Sent on a revenge mission to kill his former commander, Colonel Sloan, the game drops Colt into an open-world dystopian future, where he uses his arsenal of futuristic weaponry to carve a war path through cyborgs, robot sharks, and dragons that can shoot lasers from their eyes. Blood Dragon was the first of several Far Cry spin-offs which took the series to imaginative new settings. It even went on to inspire an anime series called Captain Laserhawk: A Blood Dragon Remix.

9. Far Cry 4 (2014)

A year after Blood Dragon, Ubisoft released Far Cry 4 , the next major installment in the franchise. Set in the snowy Himalayan mountains, players are cast as Ajay. Traveling to the fictional country of Kyrat to scatter his mother’s ashes, Ajay’s journey is cut short after his bus is raided by Pagan Min , a ruthless but immaculately dressed dictator who has a special interest in Ajay and his mission.

Returning to Pagan Min’s palace, Ajay manages to escape, fleeing into the countryside of Kyrat and joining the rebels in fighting back against their oppressor. As his battle against Pagan Min rages on, Ajay uncovers more about his heritage, slowly learning his mother’s past could be directly linked to the war that devastates the country.

Far Cry 4 largely built off the foundation established in Far Cry 3, adding campaign co-op, rideable elephants, a grappling hook, and a helicopter that could be used to raise hell from above.

10. Far Cry Primal (2016)

A spin-off from the mainline games, Far Cry Primal followed in the footsteps of Blood Dragon and reframed Far Cry in a wildly different setting, taking players to the prehistoric age. Centring on a hunter named Takkar, the story begins with the protagonist’s hunting party being wiped out by a sabertooth tiger, leaving him to walk the valley alone.

Determined to reunite with the other members of his clan, he sets forth on a perilous adventure, clashing with two rival tribes seeking to eradicate Takkar and his allies. Taking away the modern technology of previous Far Cry games and limiting players to clubs, bows, and other primitive weaponry, Far Cry Primal forced players to survive deadly animals , hazardous environments, and fierce rival tribes.

11. Far Cry 5 (2018)

With Primal in the rearview mirror, Ubisoft moved on to the next mainline entry in the Far Cry series, Far Cry 5 . Moving the franchise to rural Montana, the franchise's fifth entry unleashed players in the fictional wilderness of Hope County, playing as a nameless police deputy tracking an extremist cult known as Eden’s Gate.

Beginning with a player and a small squad of sheriffs attempting to arrest the cult’s leader – the sadistic zealot Joseph Seed – their mission descends into chaos after Seed’s followers free him and leave the player stranded in the wilderness. Vowing to rescue their allies and bring Seed and his lieutenants to justice, the players begin a journey across Hope County, slowly learning more about the cult’s leaders and the sinister, world-ending plot they’re concocting.

Far Cry 5 introduced several new ideas to the Far Cry formula, with players now able to fully customize their character, complete a non-linear main campaign, and, most importantly, recruit a friendly grizzly bear named Cheeseburger.

12. Far Cry New Dawn (2019)

A direct sequel to Far Cry 5, New Dawn hit consoles in 2019, envisioning an apocalyptic version of Hope County after it was struck by nuclear bombs during the previous game's climax. Set seventeen years later, the game follows a player-created captain who, alongside other Hope County survivors, belongs to a settlement known as Prosperity.

As New Dawn begins, Prosperity finds its existence threatened by a group known as the Highway Men, who seek to take over Hope County and eradicate its various factions. Searching for a means to fight back against their new enemies, the captain ventures across Hope County, eventually making contact with a powerful hidden settlement led by the man who destroyed the world: Joseph Seed.

Much like Blood Dragon and Primal, New Dawn was a reframing of Far Cry’s formula, this time dropping the game into a post-apocalyptic setting. It included new, mutated foes; the addition of supernatural abilities; and a mode called Expeditions, which allowed players to head to other parts of the U.S. to complete contracts.

13. Far Cry 6 (2021)

Two years later, Ubisoft moved away from the post-apocalypse and returned for a more traditional mainline entry in Far Cry 6 . Taking the franchise to the fictional Caribbean Island of Yara, players assume the role of Dani, a civilian attempting to escape the country due to a fierce civil war ravaging its shores.

Securing an escape route with their family via boat, Dani’s plans are thwarted after the ship is boarded by ruthless dictator Anton Castillo (played by Breaking Bad’s Giancaro Esposito), who is searching for his teenage son, Diego, among the refugees. Enraged at his son’s defiance, Anton sinks the ship, killing Dani’s family and setting the protagonist on a war path. Enlisting with the resistance and fighting against Anton’s regime, Dani joins the war, conquering Anton’s forces in a bid to confront the man himself.

Much like previous games, Far Cry 6 built on the Far Cry foundation, adding customizable vehicles, DIY super weapons, a new gear system, and back mounted rocket launchers.

What’s Next For Far Cry?

As for what’s next for Far Cry, there are currently no future projects confirmed. And, in Nov 2023, Far Cry 6 officially received its last patch after Ubisoft announced it would no longer be updating the game. However, early rumors suggest more Far Cry is likely on the way. In early 2023, two new Far Cry projects were reportedly in development, according to Insider Gaming and Kotaku: a standard sequel and a multiplayer spin-off. That being said, Ubisoft has yet to reveal anything official, so until the publisher is ready, we'll have to wait and see where Far Cry heads next.

For more lists like this, check out Assassin's Creed Games in Order , Wolfenstein Games in Order , GTA Games in Order and much more.

Callum Williams is a freelance media writer with years of experience as a game critic, news reporter, guides writer and features writer.

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