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• Colin Thompson
• Oct 12, 2023

About That Concrete Submarine...

If you’ve attended an “Old Salts” dinner in recent years, you’ve undoubtedly seen the picture of the concrete submarine on the rocks beneath our clubhouse deck. The circumstances of where it came from and how it got there seem to have been something of a mystery for many years.

The sub was a 125-foot model of what the builder, Hal B. Hayes, had hoped would eventually become a 400-foot version that would travel 75-80 knots over open ocean, replacing the Liberty ships. The story that had been shared around the clubhouse over the years was that during the sea trial, the sub proved to be completely unseaworthy and had to be rescued by the Coast Guard, twice. After the second rescue, the Coast Guard was… displeased… and blew a hole in the side of the boat to ensure there wouldn’t be a third attempt and subsequent rescue.

The newspapers, however, all characterized the sea trial on August 21, 1943, as a success and seemed to indicate that the Maritime Commission considered the project promising. Successful sea trials don’t usually end with boats sitting high and dry on the rocks, with holes in their sides, so I decided to investigate.

It seemed to me that if the Coast Guard rescue had really happened, there ought to be some sort of report or log concerning the incident, and I set out to find it. Three months later, I hadn’t found any such report, but I did find a wealth of information about the sub and its inventor, and presented my findings at BYC’s August Member Dinner.

While I was unable to find any real proof about the Coast Guard part of the story, Robin Crawford discovered an article from 1960 in the Oakland Tribune shortly after my presentation, which places blame for the hole in the side of the sub on the Berkeley harbormaster, with the express purpose of using the hulk to serve as a bulkhead for our clubhouse deck in 1947. This would seem to agree with a document I found in the National Archives, wherein Hal’s brother, Walter, claims to have sold the submarine to the City of Berkeley to be “sunk for use as a breakwater” in 1944.

But who can say? Perhaps there were more sea trials after August 21, 1943, and perhaps one or more of them did require a rescue and tow from the Coast Guard.

All of the material I’ve gathered has been zipped up in a file called “concrete_semisubmarine.zip” and uploaded to the Files section of our website.

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You will need to log into the Members section of the website to access it. We hope the recording of the presentation at the August Member Dinner will be there soon as well

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FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR CONCRETE SUBMARINE

A feasibility study was conducted by utilizing classical analysis techniques and state of the art construction methods. Prestressed concrete was found to be a viable material for shallow to medium depth submersibles. A replica of an existing steel-hulled submarine was used in the calculations to enable both economic and performance characteristics to be analyzed and compared. It was found that both longitudinal and circumferential prestress must be used in the construction of the pressure hull. To facilitate this, a modular-segmental construction was employed. It was also found that concrete offers both performance and economic advantages over steel. The performance advantages include: freedom from maintenance, durability, readily-available materials, superior performance under impact and accident conditions, non temperature-sensitive, easily formed into compound curvature, and concrete has good insulating properties. Economic analysis has indicated that the concrete pressure hull would cost between 50% and 60% of the equivalent steel hull.

• A more extensive treatment can be found in the final report, Contract No. N66001-74-C-0408, Naval Undersea Center, San Diego, California. This research was carried out at the University of California, Berkeley, California, and supported in part by Naval Undersea Center Contract No. N66001-74-C-0408.

Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers

• Publication Date: 1975-3
• Features: References;
• Pagination: 39 p.

Subject/Index Terms

• TRT Terms: Concrete ; Design ; Ferromagnetic materials ; Ships ; Submarines ; Submersibles
• Uncontrolled Terms: Concrete ships
• Subject Areas: Design; Marine Transportation; Vehicles and Equipment;

Filing Info

• Accession Number: 00127041
• Record Type: Publication
• Source Agency: Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers
• Files: TRIS
• Created Date: Nov 5 1975 12:00AM

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Concrete submarine

Discussion in ' All Things Boats & Boating ' started by waterchopper , Sep 24, 2008 .

waterchopper Guest

Does anyone here know what happened with the 200 ton concrete submarine that was being built in Columbia? Is there a link to pictures of the boat being built or was there a problem. Tx Bill  

Guillermo Ingeniero Naval

This one? http://imulead.com/tolimared/concretesubmarine/ "Handover scheduled for 14.October 2008 in San Francisco." There are some threads in these forums about 'concrete submarines'. Designer/builder was a frequent contributor. Just search for them. Cheers.  

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Tug Junior Member

I wonder if you put a 100 ft telescopic aluminuim mast/snorkel on it if you could sail a sub while submerged...hmmm.. Cheers Tug  

daiquiri Engineering and Design

Well, now that I think of it... If I had to design something that needs to get to the sea bottom, concrete would definitely be a material of first choice.  

I read everything at the concrete submarine site but it seems like all post ended after he recieved the funds to begin building the 200 ton sub for the man in california. I am hoping that he is just busy building or testing the sub and that there was not a problem. He should be completing and delivering the submarine next month some time acording to his last posts in september of 2007. I have tried to search for info on this build but have found nothing. Tx Bill  

blackdaisies Senior Member

You would probably have a water ballast system in it, and empty it to raise it to sea level, raise your mast and sail like that. I've seen cheap plywood designs for underwater boats, but none with a mast on top for sailing above or below the water. That would be interesting.  

Dane Allen Junior Member

I've read a lot about submarines from Columbia, and they aren't carrying concrete. Thinking about concrete submaries reminds me of what happens to and egg when cracked under pressure. I can just picture the brochure now..."It's a submarine, a reef AND a tomb all packaged into one!!!"  

Arildo Junior Member

Hmm, iterresting. Most problem with a submarine is to get it heavy enough vs volume to -actually- dive! I went a different way when I designed and are currently bulding my sub. - Got the volume down! My sub that is currently under building, has a volume of about 330 litre. It is made of carbon fibre - has ambient pressure (no structural force) and weight about 120kg dry. Then add a pilot (80kg), 100kg in water ballast, and some lead ballast... -and sunk! It has one electric motor each side with rudders and invidual motor control. If interrested, I can send pictures  

Dane Allen: An egg crack at about 20m depth (according to mythbusters!)  

Columbian concrete sub: Where is the propulution props?  

marshmat Senior Member

As strange as it sounds, concrete is (from an engineering standpoint) a very good material for submerged, ambient-pressure structures. Weight constraints in a sub are minimal; most need a lot of ballast added to dive. And in a 1-atmosphere craft, the vessel is at lower pressure than its surroundings, thus the loads on the shell tend to be compressive. Ideal for reinforced concrete. Indeed, many oil rigs have 1-atmosphere air pressure hundreds of feet down inside hollow concrete legs. A sub is no different- just not as highly loaded, so easier to engineer. And concrete is a hell of a lot easier to form into foot-thick, compound-curvature walls than steel is. There was a fair bit of discussion about c-subs a year or two ago on here.... looks like the guy is actually building a few now?  

rwatson Senior Member

Where is he building a few marshmat? I bet the 200 ton model never makes it into regular use, if it is ever even launched. I agree that as a stand alone object, concrete is suitable for submerged operation. As a submarine - no way. The big problem is the "add ons". You cant drill concrete and add reliable thru hulls, structural items etc easily like you can in steel or alloy. Imagine incorporating the anchor hardware and controls, power drives, navigation aids, ballast outlets etc. Sure, you can use epoxy to make it watertight, but the difficualties of the engineering are substantial - eg load bearing valves for ballast thru hulls. Just engineering the entrance hatches and keeping them watertight would be a major drama. Steel and concrete have different expansion rates for a start. Like all craft, the cost of a hull is a small percentage of the total. The reason for building in concrete is just some lame *** idea for saving money, a relatively small amount of money. You then have to abandon 200 years of engineering knowledge the fart around with crazy, and now dangerous workarounds for essential services. You also have to use the crazy "egg shape" to maximise pressure resistance, which brings a whole lot of other usage problems ( like major rocking at anchor for a start) Then there is the quality control. Concrete used as subamarine has to be hand laid - every critical inch of it. Ferroconcrete yacht hulls have enough problems - but would you trust your life to high pressures, year after year, knowing that the hull integrity depended on carefull laying every square foot being free of voids, mis-mixtures, etc? You would be dripping sweat on every dive! especially after the first 6 months when you have no way of knowing if the steel reinforcement was being affected by salt conditions. Finally, it cant be cheap to build such a big sub - show me the broker who will insure the sucker ? So you have 3/4 of a million dollars of floating pavement at the mercy of the elements. Try sleeping soundly at night. I am all for amatuer sub building-but why start with such a crazy material for the sake of a few dollars. I would love to see pictures of your sub Arildo.  

I'll get pictures 4U rwatson! Not sure if I should get it for everyone, as this is only a prototype.. First do look at the old not updated: www.scubatron.com , but this pics is pretty old......send me an email at "[email protected]" for more resent picts if of interrest!  

FAST FRED Senior Member

I wonder if you put a 100 ft telescopic aluminuim mast/snorkel on it if you could sail a sub while submerged... A box kite or one of the newer style chute systems would do fine . No reason to go deep, just far enough to only pay for hull surface resistance , but not wavemaking. FF  

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Masted sub Here is a previous concept of a sailing semi sunken sub ... http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showpost.php?p=142780&postcount=71  

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