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People hit the roof on Boeing plane, passenger says as New Zealand probes sudden drop during flight

A passenger has told NBC News about the dramatic incident in which people aboard a Boeing flight were thrown into the ceiling, as authorities probed what caused the plane's sudden mid-air plunge.

More than a dozen people were rushed to the hospital Monday and at least 50 were injured when a LATAM Airlines flight traveling from Sydney to Auckland, New Zealand, experienced a “strong shake,” officials said.

Authorities in New Zealand said Tuesday they were seizing the black boxes from the Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner, which had been due to continue on to Santiago, Chile.

"Everything was going well," said passenger Brian Jokat, who was sitting in a window seat as the flight headed toward New Zealand. “Then, all of a sudden, the plane took a nosedive down.” 

“People were flying out of their seats, hitting the roof, being thrown back four or five aisles back,” Jokat, 61, said in a telephone interview.

Jokat said that while he had his seat belt on, the passenger in the aisle seat of his row didn’t.

“I saw him lying on the ceiling looking down at me,” he said. “He was fully out-stretched,” Jokat said. “And then, bang, I looked behind and everyone was falling off the ceilings.”

Jokat said the seat belt, which he rarely wears at cruising altitude, saved him from the injuries.

“But those days are over. I will always keep my seat belt on,” he said. “Because what I saw in that plane was people flying like rag dolls.”

LATAM Airlines Flight LA800 was carrying 263 passengers and nine crew members, the Santiago-based airline said in a statement Tuesday. The flight landed at its scheduled time of 4:26 p.m. Monday (11:26 p.m. Sunday ET) in Auckland after its 2-hour, 42-minute flight.

The plane "experienced a strong shake whose causes are being investigated," the airline said.

Emergency services treated about 50 patients, 12 of whom were taken to the hospital, New Zealand’s emergency medical service provider, Hato Hone St John Ambulance, said in a statement Monday.

The airline said that most of those were discharged shortly after and that only two people needed medical attention, “but without any life-threatening risks.”

The pilot told the passengers the plane had suffered equipment failure for a few seconds, causing it to drop for almost 500 feet in the air, Jokat said. “He said, ‘My gauges went down; everything went down for one or two seconds, and they just lit up again and continued to function,’” Jokat added.

“Some people broke right through the ceiling. So you can see all the wires inside,” Jokat said.

New Zealand’s Transport Accident Investigation Commission, which is investigating, said in a statement Tuesday that it was “seizing the cockpit voice and flight data recorders.”

Chile has appointed a representative to participate in the investigation, the Chilean aviation authority said Monday on X .

"We are thinking of the passengers and crew from LATAM Airlines Flight 800, and we commend everyone involved in the response effort," Boeing said in a statement Tuesday, adding that it was in "contact with our customer" and will support "investigation-related activities."

The plane manufacturer has been under fire for multiple safety incidents and technical snags in recent months.

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And an investigation is underway after another Boeing-made plane flown by United suffered “stuck” rudder pedals at Newark Airport in New Jersey last month.

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nose diving riveira

Discussion in ' Powerboats ' started by aussiebrian , Feb 25, 2010 .

aussiebrian Junior Member

need some assistance from anyone. I am a new to this forum, so a brief background. I recently completed a 2 year project to build a glen-l riveira and apon launching we struck a problem with the operation of the boat under way. I followed the plans to the letter, but at 25mph to 30mph the boat nose dives and all steering control is lost. I have tryed a number of things suggested by boat builders and other specialists, but nothing is making any difference. The specs are ase follows - 6.1m hull, weight (incl. motor) 1400kg, motor PCM 5.7ltr (310hp) with 1:22 : 1 stepdown velvet drive, 13" x 15pitch 4 blade prop. I have tried adding balast to the transom(150kg) and tested different props, but there was no improvement, the boat gets out of the "hole" with ease, motors along on the bow wave comfortably, but as soon as the power is increased to speeds greater than 30mph, the boat "flops" on the bow and stays there till you reduce the speed below 25mph. I have contacted Glen-l, and they were unhelpful and unresponsive so I would greatly appreciate any suggestions.  

Landlubber Senior Member

WOW...that certainly is a strange behavior...this will be interesting.  

any ideas?  

Typhoon Senior Member

Where is the engine mounted, as per plan? Photos of boat? Regards, Andrew.  

rasorinc Senior Member

Have you posted this on the Glen-L forum? That is where you get help from members and some who have built the same boat. There is no one at headquarters with specific knowledge to assist you. https://www.boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=252 See another builders pictures.  

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A nose diving at high speeds may indicate that your boat is running too flat on the water. Running too flat (or even down-trimmed) can create a low pressure area in the forward aft of the hull, where it has a significant rocker. This low pressure tend to trim the boat even further down - till the point where rudder loses the steering authority and the boat starts steering by bow. The possible cause for that may be a wrong (too forward) CG position, some trim-down device in the stern region (a too-inclined prop shaft could play a part), or a combination of both. That's all that can be said without seing the boat plans and without knowing your eventual modifications of the original design.  

TollyWally Senior Member

Per previous discussions on the mysteries of hull dynamics and planing. Is the stern lifting too much @ 25 mph? Hook perhaps.  

Hunter25 Senior Member

CG too far forward and the boat is falling off or stuffing.  

You'd think 300# in the stern would do a little something.  

tunnels Previous Member

Get back to basics ! What would cause the nose to go down or the back to lift up on a power boat , remembering unlike a outboard there is not trim button !! damn !! Hook would be amongst the first things id be looking for! In reality slight rocker is better in a inboard but the placement of the high point of the rocker is critical , Next the angle of the prop shaft !! if its steeper than it is recomended it like running a outboard with the trim hard down continuously !!and as said in the previous post your cg is to far forward . Make the back go up and the front go down !!!! Next look at the way the boat is loaded ,tanks ,batterys and what ever else you have in the way of weighty items. All these things to be aft of the motor !!, After all that the weight of the Engine/gearbox ?? Something to try are bags of sand and place them in the back , take the boat for a run and keep adding sand bags right in the back as close to the transom as possible till you get to where you want it to plane once you have got the boat to plane correctly take a count of the kgs that are needed to achieve that . The imediate feeling i have is first the shaft angle in combitation with second the weight of the motor and gearbox is the problem Can you post pictures please of the boat sitting in the water and then all the inside stuff , also a side shot so can see the propshaft angle and where it comes out !! Pictures are worth a thousand words !! Plus to see the boat ! i have a great passion for that style of boat and have built modles whan i was a kid . Century and Chriscraft were my favorites . or just email direct to [email protected]  

Why are you yelling with red type Tunnels? As you can see from the upside down hull taken from Glen-L, the shaft angle is steep, but they all are, unless aussiebrian is not telling the truth about building it exactly to plan. There also does not seem to be any hook in this design. These designs have been built with small block Chevys and velvet drives before. This does not leave many other explanations.  

Wow thats a steep shaft angle ! Red to get the point across , not shouting !. So how does you boat go ?? the rim is ok ?? where are all your heavy bits ? tanks and battery etc That a nice looking boat you have !! As you say there could be more than we are being told maybe .  

pistnbroke I try

I would put this post on the scream and fly forum ( www.screamandfly.com ) as they have boats doing 100mph and know all the problems ....are you sure the bottom is flat not concave ??  

Ike Senior Member

What you are talking about is called dynamic instability and there have been some really startling cases. The most notoriuos was the USCG 30 foot Surf Rescue boat. It did exactly what you describe. The Naval research Laboratory did a lot of test and discovered that under certain conditions negative pressures occurred near the bow and this caused the bow to nose dive. It didn't help that it was a single engine with a really big prop (lots of torque trying to twist the boat to the right) and a hook in the aft port planing surface. Also the engine was rather far forward for a planing hull moving the CG forward when planing. But the big culprit was the bow. The transverse shape of the bow was convex. This contributed signficantly to the negative pressures. Anyway looking at your boat that engine is almost amidships longitudinally (fore and aft). On planing hulls the CG of the boat when the boat is up on a plane should be nearly over the center of upward force That is near the center of effort of the wetted surface. That requires the engine to be a lot farther aft. This is why many planing boats appear to be riding on only the prop and the last few feet of the hull. The forward CG of this engine is holding the bow down when the boat is planing. this boat would do better with a Vee drive rather than a straight drive. That would move the CG aft and the boat would be better balanced.  

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aussiebrian said: ↑ need some assistance from anyone. I am a new to this forum, so a brief background. I recently completed a 2 year project to build a glen-l riveira and apon launching we struck a problem with the operation of the boat under way. I followed the plans to the letter, but at 25mph to 30mph the boat nose dives and all steering control is lost. I have tryed a number of things suggested by boat builders and other specialists, but nothing is making any difference. The specs are ase follows - 6.1m hull, weight (incl. motor) 1400kg, motor PCM 5.7ltr (310hp) with 1:22 : 1 stepdown velvet drive, 13" x 15pitch 4 blade prop. I have tried adding balast to the transom(150kg) and tested different props, but there was no improvement, the boat gets out of the "hole" with ease, motors along on the bow wave comfortably, but as soon as the power is increased to speeds greater than 30mph, the boat "flops" on the bow and stays there till you reduce the speed below 25mph. I have contacted Glen-l, and they were unhelpful and unresponsive so I would greatly appreciate any suggestions. Click to expand...

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The pilot seat could have caused a Boeing 787 to suddenly drop midair. It wouldn't be the first time a similarly bizarre event happened to a widebody aircraft.

• A Latam Airlines Boeing 787 dropped midair  Monday, injuring at least 50 people.
• The cause may be due to a flight attendant inadvertently hitting a switch on the pilot's seat.
• If true, that would be reminiscent of when a military Airbus A330 suddenly nose-dived in 2014.

On Monday, a Latam Airlines Boeing 787 carrying 263 passengers and crew suddenly dropped midair during a flight from Sydney to Auckland, New Zealand, injuring at least 50 people.

While CNN reported one of the Latam pilots told a passenger his cockpit gauges "went blank" in a supposed aircraft malfunction, new information points to a mishap in the flight deck , rather than a technical failure.

The Wall Street Journal , citing unnamed officials briefed on preliminary evidence, reported a flight attendant may have inadvertently hit a switch on the pilot's seat while they were serving a meal in the cockpit. This would have turned on a system that pushed the chair and the pilot forward into the flight controls.

The switch is designed with a cover and is not supposed to be used when someone is in the seat, the Journal said. Still, it could have been accidentally activated — pointing the plane's nose down and causing the sudden drop in altitude.

If true, this wouldn't be the first time a pilot's seat forced a widebody plane into a nosedive. 

A pilot-seat mishap sent a military Airbus A330 plummeting

Ten years ago, on February 9, 2014, a Royal Air Force Airbus A330 plummeted 4,400 feet in about 30 seconds. The tanker-transport aircraft involved was part of the British military's Voyager Fleet , which is based on the civilian version of the A330 but can provide midair refueling and military transport.

On the day of the event, Voyager Flight 333 was shuttling nearly 200 passengers and crew from the RAF Brize Norton base in the UK to Camp Bastion in Afghanistan, according to the final report published by the UK's Military Aviation Authority. It was a military mission but operated mostly like a traditional commercial flight — meaning passengers were served by flight attendants and shown an in-flight movie.

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Both pilots were military aviators with thousands of hours of experience. But despite the captain's more than 5,500 hours of flight time, he made a crucial mistake while he was solo in the cockpit.

According to the report, the captain was killing time at cruising altitude by taking photos using a DSLR camera on the flight deck while the first officer was taking a break in the galley.

While this is OK when there are two pilots in the cockpit, according to RAF policy at the time, it was forbidden for one pilot to perform "non-relevant" flight duties while the other pilot was away — which was where the problems began.

When the captain set down his camera to speak with the purser on the flight, he placed it next to the A330's side-stick. This controls the Airbus' fly-by-wire system , which allows the pilot to command the plane's pitch and roll.

Distracted by the purser, the captain did not remove the camera before he later adjusted his seat forward. When he did this, the seat's armrest pushed the camera against the side-stick with enough force to disconnect the autopilot — which the plane is designed to do — and send the plane into a nosedive.

The negative G-force of the drop launched passengers and crew, including the first officer, into the air and against the jet's ceiling — similar to the Latam event .

Fortunately, Airbus' advanced automation saved the plane by automatically reducing the plane's thrust and leveling off once the jet reached a certain speed and pitch-down limit, according to the report. In other words, the A330 aircraft has built-in protections that help it recover from a nosedive after a pilot error.

While the Latam incident is still under investigation, it's possible a similar cause and effect occurred in the recent altitude drop. The Boeing 787 system involved has a fly-by-wire system , but instead of a side-stick, the planemaker has installed the traditional yoke.

In the aftermath of Voyager Flight 333, several recommendations were made to address the event regarding things like loose objects in the cockpit, the pilot-seat design, and how long one pilot can be left alone on the flight deck.

For Boeing, the planemaker sent out a memo to 787 operators on Thursday to check for loose covers over the switches and provided information on how to turn off the motor, the Journal reported. This follows a similar notice sent to airlines seven years ago regarding the seat.

"We have taken the precautionary measure of reminding 787 operators of a service bulletin issued in 2017," Boeing said. "We are recommending operators perform an inspection at the next maintenance opportunity."

If it's proved this was human error and not a technical issue, Boeing is sure to breathe a sigh of relief that the problem isn't related to another quality fault on one of its passenger jetliners .

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Latam airlines said there was 'a technical event during the flight which caused a strong movement'.

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At least 50 people were injured Monday after a LATAM Airlines Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner "dipped so dramatically into a nose dive for a couple of seconds" during a flight to New Zealand, causing passengers to slam into the roof of the cabin, witnesses say. 

LATAM Airlines says the plane traveling from Sydney, Australia, experienced "a technical event during the flight which caused a strong movement." Paramedics and more than 10 emergency vehicles were waiting for passengers when flight LA800 landed in Auckland. 

"The plane dipped so dramatically into a nose dive for a couple of seconds and around 30 people hit the ceiling hard," said Daniel, one passenger onboard the aircraft, according to the New Zealand Herald.  

"None of us knew what had happened until after the flight, I was just trying to keep everyone calm," he added. "We never heard any announcement from the captain." 

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At least 50 people were injured after what officials described as a "technical event" on a Boeing plane traveling from Sydney, Australia, to Auckland, New Zealand. (Dean Purcell/New Zealand Herald via AP)

The newspaper reports that the incident happened with about an hour left into the flight. 

"I had just dozed off and I luckily had my seatbelt on, and all of a sudden the plane just dropped," passenger Brian Jokat also told broadcaster RNZ. "It wasn’t one of those things where you hit turbulence and you drop a few times ... we just dropped." 

Jokat said one passenger two seats away from him wasn’t wearing his seatbelt when the drop happened. 

"I thought I was dreaming. I opened my eyes and he was on the roof of the plane on his back, looking down on me. It was like The Exorcist," he said. 

Jokat also told RNZ that the incident occurred in seconds. 

"I felt the plane take a nosedive – it felt like it was at the top of a rollercoaster, and then it flattened out again," he reportedly added, noting that people onboard and the flight crew tended to the injured until the plane landed. 

FAMILY OF INDIANA MOM WHO DIED ON AA PLANE REMAIN WITH UNANSWERED QUESTIONS

A LATAM Airlines Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner is seen in Santiago, Chile, in March 2019. ( Fabrizio Gandolfo/SOPA Images/LightRocket via Getty Images)

About 50 people were treated at the scene for mostly mild injuries while 13 of them were transported to a hospital, an ambulance spokesperson told the Associated Press. One patient who was on the flight was reportedly in serious condition.   

The Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner's final destination was Santiago, Chile, but was landing at Auckland Airport in accordance with its normal flight path, according to Reuters. The flight to Santiago on Monday has been canceled and rescheduled for Tuesday, with the airline providing food and accommodation to travelers affected, according to RNZ.

"LATAM regrets the inconvenience and injury this situation may have caused its passengers, and reiterates its commitment to safety as a priority within the framework of its operational standards," the airline said.  

Federal Aviation Administration Administrator Michael Whitaker said Monday that the agency will "certainly" work with their counterparts in Australia, New Zealand and Chile to investigate the incident. 

"It's obviously not a U.S. flight, but it is a 787. So we will certainly follow that closely," he added.

The Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner landed at Auckland Airport, which is typical for its flight path, but was ultimately on its way to Santiago, Chile. (Dean Purcell/New Zealand Herald via AP)

Jokat told RNZ the pilot of the plane came to the back of the cabin after landing in Auckland. 

"I asked him ‘what happened?’ and he said to me, ‘I lost my instrumentation briefly and then it just came back all of a sudden,’" Jokat said.

The incident is the latest mishap involving a Boeing plane.

In January, a door plug blew off Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 – a Boeing 737 Max 9 aircraft – causing the cabin to depressurize and forcing it to make an emergency landing in Portland, Oregon. The Justice Department reportedly is opening an investigation into that incident and Whitaker said Monday that the FAA has increased its "oversight of Boeing pretty significantly." 

Last week, a United Airlines Boeing 777-200 departing San Francisco lost a wheel during takeoff. The tire fell and proceeded to damage a few parked cars at the airport.

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Panga 25 Nose Dive

Post by PangaRon » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:43 pm

Re: Panga 25 Nose Dive

Post by terrulian » Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:00 pm

Post by fallguy1000 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:29 pm

Post by TomW1 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:02 pm

Post by Aripeka Angler » Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:30 pm

First a Panga really isn't designed for 5-6' seas.

Second the way to improve the handling is to deepen the keel to 6" and extend it forward so it is 1/3 of the boats length or 8 feet in your case. So taper it from 0 to 6inches at the transom. This should improve your handling immensely in rough water that you described.

Cracker Larry went through 10' waves with his 6" keel on his OD18

Post by fallguy1000 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:45 pm

TomW1 wrote: ↑ Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:02 pm Panga Ron have followed your posts since you started to build that lovely boat. First a Panga really isn't designed for 5-6' seas. Second the way to improve the handling is to deepen the keel to 6" and extend it forward so it is 1/3 of the boats length or 8 feet in your case. So taper it from 0 to 6inches at the transom. This should improve your handling immensely in rough water that you described. Cracker Larry went through 10' waves with his 6" keel on his OD18

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Post by cape man » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:29 am

Post by fallguy1000 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:40 pm

cape man wrote: ↑ Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:29 am Tom W you now own that OD, and unless you post a pic of a 6" "keel" I'm calling bs. Larry was about 2 months ahead of me and I was pretty much copying his work on my OD. The "keel" we installed together on mine is a 1x1" piece of pine - a skeg covered with an aluminum shoe. I assume it works well, but can't say as it has always been there. The OD is awesome in a following sea, but you do have to match the speed of the waves to make sure you are not coming down too fast. I do trim the bow up in even a following chop. The huge disadvantage to a deeper skeg is obvious if you run in shallow water. Panga, is there anyway to shift weight aft in that situation?

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How To Stop Your Pontoons From Nose Diving

Pontoon boats are tons of fun, we love them! They’re floating living rooms. But similar to driving your living room around, sometimes driving your pontoon boat can be… an experience!

It’s not uncommon to experience a nose dive when hitting the throttle on your ‘toon. What’s up with that?

In this article, we’ll explain how to stop your pontoons from nose diving .

You need to make sure your weight distribution is acceptable, and that your motor is properly sized for your toon.

We’ll explain it all below.

Pontoon Power!

Pontoon boats are typically used for recreational purposes such as fishing and leisure boating. They are also used in military applications like amphibious vehicles. 

Pontoon boats are different from traditional boats because they are more stable and durable, easier to transport, cheaper to build, and lighter in weight than traditional boats.

They are powered through outboard motors and usually carry up to six people. 

Toons are popular in lakes, rivers, bays, and coastal waters for their stability and ease of use. Generally, a pontoon boat has four points of support: two pontoons, the kingpost, and the hull. 

Pontoons are popular in lakes, rivers, and coastal waters for their stability and ease of use.

The hull is made of wood or composite materials such as fiber-reinforced plastic (FRP). The pontoons are sometimes hollow, and sometimes filled with foam .

Meanwhile, the purpose of a pontoon boat depends on its design: some have no cabin and are used for fishing; others have cabins for passengers and are used for recreation or sightseeing.

How to Stop Your Pontoons From Nose Diving

When the pontoons are submerged in water, they act as hydrofoils which cause the boat to nose dive. The pontoon nose dive is a popular term in the boating industry that refers to when a boat goes underwater, nose-first. It happens when there is enough weight on the front of the craft to submerge it below its normal depth.

Such nose dives are dangerous because they can result in capsizing or flipping over. 

When the pontoons are submerged in water, they act as hydrofoils.

Everyone should know about various reasons for pontoon nose-diving to prevent any unexpected accident. Here are some of the major reasons that can lead to nose dives:

1. Too Much Weight

Nose-diving is a common accident in pontoon boats due to overloading . Generally, when a boat with considerable weight on the front end falls into the water, it indicates that the boat is sinking and needs immediate attention. Pontoons can carry a lot of weight, as they look very spacious and sturdy.

However, this often leads to overloading the boat, rendering it at risk of nose-diving. 

The weight limit varies from model to model and is also mentioned on the boats for safety purposes. You may also contact your manufacturer to know the weight limit of your pontoon if it is not clearly stated. 

In addition, you can look at the waterline to determine if your boat is overloaded or not. If the tube is going deeper in the water and the deck is coming closer to the water surface, then there is a possibility that your pontoon will nose dive. Hence, the waterline should always stay below the middle of the pontoon.

The waterline should always stay below the middle of the pontoon.

2. Bad Weight Distribution

Weight distribution is a key factor in the performance of your pontoon. Bad weight distribution can lead to nose-diving and other dangerous consequences. 

Pontoon boats are known for their practical and sturdy design, so weight distribution is often overlooked. Consequently, it is critical to have an optimal weight distribution so that the pontoon can handle all waves without tipping over. That includes keeping the center of gravity low and balancing the weight throughout the boat. 

Ensure nobody sits in the form of a large group in front of the pontoon. Keep in mind that the front of the boat should always be higher than the back of the pontoon.

Also, ensure that the heavier seats are rearranged before the journey begins. 

3. Water in Pontoon Tube

Sometimes water becomes the most common cause of death in a pontoon tube . A pontoon tube is a rigid horizontal structure that is either foam or air-filled. The tubes contain separate sections so that if one of them is filled with water, the entire tube is not affected or damaged. However, if a hole is formed on the front side of the tube, then the boat is more susceptible to sinking. 

Before initiating the journey, always check the drain plug on your pontoon tube to confirm that there is no water inside. A small patch can also prevent the water from getting inside the tube. 

4. Wrong Motor Type

Another major factor for pontoon nose-diving is attaching the wrong motor type to your boat. There are different types of boat motors available. Some of them can be too powerful for the boat, and others might not be powerful enough. 

Always check your manual to ensure that the engine you’re buying is compatible with your boat!

If the motor attached to the pontoon is not powerful enough, it will inappropriately lift the bow and prevent it from planing or leveling upon acceleration. Whereas, if the attached motor is too powerful, the thrust will force the bow to the extent that it crashes into the water, leading to a nose dive. Thus, use a suitable motor type for your pontoon to prevent nose-diving. 

Convert to a TriToon

If you see your pontoon developing a tendency for nose-diving, you can prevent this by attaching an approximately 10-foot-sized “pony toon” to the front center of the boat. The pony toon is bolted below the front of the boat to reduce the nose-diving effect.

In effect, it turns your two-pontoon boat into a three-pontoon boat or TriToon, and significantly increases flotation.

This slight modification is considered a very effective solution and can prevent your pontoon from nose-diving in the future.

If your pontoon boat is overloaded or improperly operated, you can run into issues with your toon nose-diving. This is a dangerous situation and could cause the boat to capsize and could lead to loss of life or major damage to your pontoon boat.

Be sure you’re running with the proper weight distribution, and make sure your engine is the proper size for your toon.

If you’re still struggling, consider adding another central “pony” pontoon.

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Brian Jokat was a passenger onboard a flight that experienced a sudden drop, injuring more than 50 people. He joined LiveNOW from FOX's Josh Breslow to detail the situation.

A cockpit accident was the likely cause of a sudden drop that sent passengers on a LATAM Airlines Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner bouncing 'off the roof' during a flight to New Zealand, according to The Wall Street Journal .

U.S. industry officials briefed on preliminary evidence from an investigation of the incident told the paper that a cockpit mishap may have pushed a pilot into the controls of the plane. 

According to the report, a LATAM Airlines flight attendant hit a switch on the pilot's seat while serving a meal, activating a motorized feature that pushed the pilot into the controls and sent the plane into a nose dive, the officials said. The switch has a cover and is not supposed to be used when a pilot is in the seat. 

LATAM Airlines , which is based in Chile, has said the Boeing 787 suffered a "technical event during the flight which caused strong movement." 

PASSENGERS DESCRIBE NIGHTMARE FLIGHT, PEOPLE ‘BOUNCED OFF THE ROOF’, TURBULENCE ‘FELT LIKE AN EARTHQUAKE’

Video shows bleeding passengers after plane nose dives

Video taken inside a passenger jet that nosedived and injured about 50 people shows the aftermath inside the cabin as crew members tended to bleeding passengers.

At least 50 people were injured Monday after a "strong shake" threw those without seatbelts from their seats and tossed around passengers on the Chilean plane traveling from Sydney to Auckland, New Zealand. The plane landed at Auckland Airport as scheduled, but the more than 200 passengers aboard were shaken up by the nightmare flight. 

Passengers described how the plane took a sudden, dramatic dip into a "nose dive," sending some who were not secured in their seats tumbling into the ceiling. 

"If you were in your seat, you went straight up to the ceiling and bounced off the roof. I just happened to be one of the lucky ones who was strapped in for that incident," passenger Brian Jokat told ABC News in Australia on Tuesday.

BOEING PLANE FORCED TO MAKE EMERGENCY LANDING AT LAX AFTER POSSIBLE MECHANICAL ISSUE

Paramedics and more than 10 emergency vehicles were on scene when the plane landed in Auckland, according to The Associated Press. About 50 people were treated on the scene for minor injuries. 

The LATAM Airlines Boeing 787 Dreamliner plane that suddenly lost altitude mid-flight a day earlier, dropping violently and injuring dozens of terrified travellers, is seen on the tarmac of the Auckland International Airport in Auckland on March 12,

LATAM Airlines said 10 passengers and three cabin crew members were taken to a medical center for treatment after the flight. The majority were discharged shortly after. One passenger and one crew member required additional attention but did not have life-threatening injuries, according to the statement.

"LATAM is working in coordination with the respective authorities to support the investigations into the incident," the airline said in a statement Monday. 

ALASKA AIRLINES FLIGHT INCIDENT: STUDENT PILOT TRIES TO ENTER COCKPIT, SAYS HE ‘WAS TESTING THEM’: REPORT

"We are in contact with our customer, and Boeing stands ready to support investigation-related activities as requested," Boeing said in a statement to the Wall Street Journal.

New Zealand's Transport Accident Investigation Commission (TAIC) is conducting an investigation into the incident. Authorities seized the black boxes of the LATAM Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner on Tuesday to learn more about the flight's trajectory and communication between pilots around the time of the incident, Reuters reported.

50 injured after 'technical event' on Boeing plane

At least 50 people were injured Monday after a LATAM Airlines Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner "dipped so dramatically into a nose dive for a couple of seconds" during a flight to New Zealand, causing passengers to slam into the roof of the cabin, witnesses say. FOX's Alex Hogan joined LiveNOW from FOX's Josh Breslow with the details.

Two investigators from Chile's civil-aviation agency traveled to New Zealand on Wednesday to lead the investigation, along with an expert from New Zealand, a spokeswoman for the agency said Thursday, according to the Wall Street Journal. 

Boeing will reportedly issue a memo related to the seat switch believed to have caused the incident. 

LINK: GET MORE ON THIS STORY AT FOXBUSINESS.COM

Fox News Digital's Greg Norman and Stephen Sorace contributed to this report.

Pontoon Boat Nose Dives [6 Possibilities]

Why Your Pontoon Boat Nose Dives

There are several reasons a pontoon boat will nose dive, as listed below:

• Too much weight in the front.
• Rough water.
• Water in the toons.
• Damaged toons.
• Trim not set correctly.
• Incorrect engine size for your boat.

Let’s go over each point.

1. Too Much Weight In The Front

The most common reason why a pontoon boat takes a nose dive is that there is too much weight in the front of the boat.

An empty boat will lean more to the rear due to the weight of the engine. Also, the driver is most often located more rear.

The problem is storage, as many pontoon boats have plenty of storage in the front as the rear is often loaded with the engine, gas tank, and driver helm. This leads boat owners to store as much stuff in the front of the boat as possible, such things as tubes and other heavy items that get heavier due to being water logged.

Passengers also tend to be the heaviest things you carry, and having everyone sit in the front is not good and can make the boat nose dive in heavy wakes. You need to evenly space out passengers when the boat is moving, or you can have odd dives and leans when driving.

2. Rough Water

If you operate your pontoon in the ocean or other rough waves, then it’s not uncommon for it to have some nose dive coming off a wave.

Never operate your boat in an area it’s not rated for. A 24-foot pontoon boat is great on the small lakes, but it’s a little thing in the ocean with the large wakes being made by ships.

When you go up on a wave, you will come back down and nose dive, so don’t operate your boat in dangerous waters.

3. Water In Toons

The logs, or toons, of your pontoon can get water in them.

When water is in the toons, it slushes around and can make your pontoon nose dive.

Pontoons can sink , but not as common as other boats.

Water getting in the toons is not as common on newer pontoons as they have water locks, or chambers to keep the water from splashing around and for the whole toon from filling up. They can get still get damaged and hold water, if it’s in the front it will have the pontoon nose dive.

4. Damaged Toons

The logs or toons of your pontoon and made of aluminum, which is strong and light, but also bends and breaks easily.

A rock or a stick can puncture or mishappen your toons and cause all kinds of driving and balance issues.

The boat will need to be taken out of the water and examine for damage and repairs made at a repair shop to fix this if it’s your issue for nose diving.

5. Trim Not Set Correctly

Just about every boat has trim which raises and lowers the nose of the boat.

You must adjust the trim as you drive your boat to suit the water conditions and tow sports.

Having the trim too far down will mean the nose of the boat is down, and it will nose dive at every chance it can, especially with too much weight in the front.

Learn how to trim a boat here:

6. Incorrect Engine Size For Your Boat

Just because you can put a bigger engine on your boat doesn’t mean you should.

Your boat is made to support certain size outboard engines, and going too small or too big can cause all kinds of issues.

An engine too big can cause a rebounding that nose dive the boat. And too small and there is not enough weight in the rear and the boat is too light in the front.

Make sure you have the correct size engine for your boat!

Boeing tells airlines to check pilot seats after report that an accidental shift led plane to plunge

B oeing is telling airlines to inspect switches on pilots' seats in its 787 Dreamliner jets after a published report said an accidental cockpit seat movement likely caused the sudden plunge of a LATAM Airlines plane flying to New Zealand.

Boeing said Friday it recommended that airlines inspect the motorized cockpit seats the next time they perform maintenance on their 787s. The aircraft manufacturer pointed to instructions that include how to disable motors that move the seats.

The company described its advisory as a “precautionary measure." It did not link the memo to what happened this week on a LATAM Airlines flight between Australia and New Zealand.

The Federal Aviation Administration said, however, that the Boeing memo was issued “in response to the incident on LATAM Flight 800." The FAA said it was convening a panel of experts to review Boeing’s message to airlines.

LATAM Airlines, based in Chile, initially said there was “a technical event during the flight which caused a strong movement.” In an update Tuesday, the airline said the plane “experienced a strong shake during flight, the cause of which is currently under investigation.”

Passengers reported that when the Dreamliner dropped without warning, people not wearing seatbelts were tossed from their seats and into the cabin ceiling and aisles. The plane later landed at Auckland Airport as scheduled.

About 50 people were injured, according to emergency crews in Auckland.

The 787 is a two-aisle plane that debuted in 2011 and is used mostly for long international flights. The version involved in the LATAM flight can carry up to about 300 passengers.

United Airlines, with 71 Dreamliners, and American Airlines with 59, are among the leading users of the plane. American said Boeing's instructions would have no impact on its operations. United declined to comment.

The Wall Street Journal reported late Thursday that a flight attendant serving a meal in the cockpit hit a switch on the back of a seat that pushed the pilot into controls on the 787, pushing down the nose of the plane. The newspaper cited anonymous U.S. industry officials who were briefed on preliminary findings from the investigation.

The newspaper said Boeing recommended that airlines check to make sure the switches are securely covered – they are not supposed to be used during flights – and told them how to turn off power to the seat motor.

Chile’s aviation regulator has sent investigators to New Zealand and, under international accords, will lead the investigation. It has not released any findings.

The incident could ratchet up scrutiny of Boeing , which is already at a high level since a panel blew out of an Alaska Airlines 737 Max over Oregon in January. The FAA, the National Transportation Safety Board and the Justice Department are conducting separate investigations related to the blowout and Boeing's manufacturing of Max jets.

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Hello, What is the Ajax 28 keel made of and can it be chopped in 1/2(sorry)? If so, how effective is a Rudder Craft swing up rudder for a boat this size? I have owned many type of boats but not a sailboat, not yet any way. A sailboat like Macgregor 26m or an Oday 272 drafting under3ft is ideal for my needs but this Ajax 28 drafts 5ft. The boat will be use for cruising the Trent Severn Waterway during summer months and may be motor down from Toronto to Florida on the ICW once awhile. Then I saw an ad for this sailboat, the mast was damaged during a recent wind storm. I want to convert it into a liveaboard power cruiser. There is a video on Youtube by smacksman1 "Cruiser verses Sailboat on the ICW" pretty much described what I want to do. Thanks. Here's the ad for this sailboat: FOR SALE - AJAX 28 [A C&C DESIGN] - THE STORY - A TREE FELL ON THE MAST! THE HULL, ALL EQUIPMENT, CRADLE, YANMAR 2GM, BOOM, ALL RIGGING, FURLING [NOT DAMAGED], BIMINI, DECK HARDWARE, WINCHES, VHF, CHART PLOTTER, ALL OPENING PORTS, AND TWO LARGE DECK HATCHES AND MUCH MORE. ALSO NEW MYLAR MAIN, NEW MYLAR 135JIB, NEW MYLAR GENOA 150, SPINNAKER AND GEAR. All for $4500 Canadian!  

That boat weighs 6,200 lbs with almost half of that weight in the keel to keep it right side up. There were only 12 of those race boats built so I would be inclined to leave it as intended and keep looking for something else. In that price range you should be able to find a boat that is undamaged and already designed for cruising where a less than 3 foot draft is required.  

Sail boats without a mast have little resale value. Very difficult to sell as a new mast is much more expensive than the total value of the boat.  

I found the ad, the boat isnt exactly cheap for a boat that age with no mast. By the time you cut up the keel and do the rudder modification, you will be pretty close in price to a Macgregor or Oday 272. A few thoughts for a mastless sailboat for the Trent Severn; the idea makes sense. Motoring is definitely good way to go on the Trent Severn, purpose built trawlers are expensive, old sailboats ready for conversion are cheap. However, I personally would not want to get into cutting up keels, you could end up with something unsafe and of no value for resale. I can think of a few options. One is to go with a boat that was designed from the outset to be a canal sailboat. The Nimble Arctic comes to mind. This options going to cost a few more bucks. Go with a shoal draft sailboat. Two boats that are commonly available in Ontario that fit this description are the Diesel powered Bayfield 25, which also has nice accomodations. Or the outboard powered Tanzer 7.5 shoal draft version. Or, you could go with a swing keel. There are too many to list, but you can get one cheap in your size range. Catalina 25 swing keel is a good place to start. I would try to avoid buying something that involved a lot of cutting and modifications below the waterline, there are just too many better options out there.  

Too much work to convert this boat into power cruiser. The keel might be encapsulated, so cutting it is a major, major job. Rudder can be cut very easily. Also an issue is prop shaft angle, which makes all sailboats not very good motor boats - not efficient under power, as well as slow. I would look for a different boat to convert. Something flat bottomed with external keel and outboard engine.  

Here is a boat that might be ideal for a canal trawler conversion (depending on condition). Shoal draft Tanzer 7.5, $1500 including trailer, not too far from the Trent Severn. These boats have a practical layout for a cruising couple including private head and large main cabin about 5'8" of head room. You could likely get a nice Honda 4 Stroke outboard for it and still be below the price of the C&C. https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/ot...er/1353547560?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true  

Honestly, I can't think of a single good reason to spend one thin dime to change a sailboat to a motor boat. A comparably sized motor boat will have a great deal more living space, storage space and a much more livable layout. It will be easier to drive, cheaper to dock (less draft, air draft and overhangs) and most likely come with a decent fridge, pressurized heated water and possibly a generator. It may not be more fuel efficient at higher speeds (which a sailboat can never attain), but at slower speeds (sailboat speeds) it shouldn't burn much more fuel, but it will be a lot easier to drive, be less affected by current with better visibility. Most of the time access to the engine is much better on a motor boat than a sailboat, as well. Also, sailboats are designed to have a mast, and removing it will radically change the stability of the boat, causing at times very uncomfortable motion. And lastly, in most cases, small motor boats are significantly cheaper that the equivalent sized sail boat.  

I think the premise is to purchase a sailboat with little value as a sailing vessel to use as a power cruiser, unless I missed the point. If the OP had the money for a good power cruiser he would probably buy one and not be asking about wrecked sailboats.  

I agree with capta on this one. When people try to buy things on the cheap with plans of modifications, 9 times out of 10, it doesn't work out and they end up spending way more money than anticipated. Buying this sailboat and the cost of modifications....you could probably find a motorboat for the same amount of money. And it will be much roomier and more live aboard friendly.  

IF this plan has merit (it might, IMHO) how about finding a boat with a bolt-on keel? 1. You could pull off the keel and cut a piece of flat steel to match the bottom of the keel stub. 2. Weld threaded rods to it for new keel bolts. 3. Bolt that on. Choose the steel thickness to get the weight you want (you'll want some).  

If a suitable hull is selected, such as the 2'8" shoal draft Tanzer I linked above, no conversion is required, no money needs to be spent on the conversion, it's just a sailboat motoring around with no mast. It could be a very affordable solution to motor cruising. I do not think the OP could easily find a safe reliable power boat with accommodations to match a 25-28 ft sailboat for $1500-4500. I did a quick scan through Ontario classifieds (over 1000 boats) and didn't see much in the way of running power boats over 23 ft for under $4500  

Arcb said: I did a quick scan through Ontario classifieds (over 1000 boats) and didn't see much in the way of running power boats over 23 ft for under $4500 Click to expand...

I did a quick scan through Ontario classifieds (over 1000 boats) and didn't see much in the way of running power boats over 23 ft for under $4500 Click to expand...

Barquito said: I would be curious why that is. I would have assumed that the power boat market has taken a nose dive as much as the sailing market. Is there any such thing as a power cruiser with a sailboat size engine? Click to expand...

Plenty of cabin cruisers here in Florida from 22 to 30 feet for under $5,000. This 1976 25 ft STARCRAFT CHIEFTAIN MARK IV for $3,500 came from the Great Lakes and is claimed to have never seen salt water however I can't imagine the 233 hp Merc being that fuel efficient: https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/boa/d/starcraft-25-ft-chieftain/6561607663.html  

Ur gonna need flopper stoppers BIG TIME FLOPPER STOPPERS.  

Met a couple a few years ago tied up to the side of the Rideau canal in downtown Ottawa in a McG 21 (mast left behind of course for anyone who recognizes the area). They said they had driven in from Nova Scotia and picked it up on the way with intention to cruise the canal for a few weeks, then sell it for what they paid. My two littlest kids, then 2 and 4 or so, toured the boat. Forget the couple's names but they were having a blast.  

With the large number of old power boats being sold cheap, given away or scrapped, why would anyone even consider a bodge like this? Sailboats make lousy powerboats at the best of times.  

I dunno, I think it is a viable option. I have not been impressed with powerboat accommodations nor build quality compared to even cheap sailboats. I would go for a swing keel boat with a small diesel inboard. The keel adds a lot of directional stability and makes the boat maneuver a lot better. Just crank it up when you need the draft.  

I think the kicker is at the small end - sub-25' powerboats have limited accommodations. They aren't built or sold for that. And they're usually not designed/powered for slow-speed canal cruising. A trawler yacht would be ideal but they aren't the dime-a-dozen used Sea Ray you will find for cheap.  

That's a great idea! Buy a 27-30 ft sailboat in the fall on the cheap. Remove the mast and head down south. Come back up in the spring, put it on the market. If I break ever or lose a small amount, I would consider that a win. I wonder what sailboats in the 27-30 ft range would sell quickly? There is a 1982 Mirage 27 ft for sale in Toronto that meets all the criteria. All it need is a used dodger or Bimini.  

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